Any advantages one over the other? It seems that I can get a no.11 gun cheaper than a 209. I currently have a 50 cal. that uses a 209 primer, but I have never fooled with the no. 11's.Black Powder 209 or 11 primers?
209's are much more reliable, they have a hotter flame. If you are the type of guy to leave a charge in the barrel for a few days it may accumulate moisture and be difficult to ignight with #11 caps. 209's have no problem with this.
I'd recommend 209's either way since thats pretty much the direction most manufacturers are going with their new models.Black Powder 209 or 11 primers?
Bound's hubby here:
While I would lean toward the shotgun 209 primer to ignite black powder, which seems to be the newest trend ... the #11 cap has an advantage.
With the current potential trend of trying to legislate more gun control, or gun control through attacking our ammunition ... the cap can be rather easily fabricated unlike the 209 primer. Back in the '60s and '70s, I remember a small device advertised in the American Rifleman and other gun magazines, that allowed you to use ';Reynold's Wrap'; or other aluminum foil and roll caps you would use in a child's cap gun. If I were in the market for a blackpowder rifle, I would purchase a rifle where the ignition system were interchangeable!
Good luck!
Supposedly, the 209 primers burn hotter and make for a quicker ignition. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference between the two.
I disagree with johndeere in that the #11 caps have always been MUCH easier to find for me, and they're also usually less expensive.
the 209 is the better primer its not going to fowl out and $2.50 to$3.00 is not bad for 100 shots come on
The 209's are easier to work with unless you can use a capper.Also, the 209's are probably easier to find in shops.
i would go with the 209
Stick with the 209s. They are larger and easier to handle and they produce a hotter ignition which will ignite your powder charge best. The No. 11s offer no advantage over the 209s. I have not checked prices but they should be similar in price. Even so, unless you shoot an awful lot like I do, the price of the primers is not a factor worth considering.
Monday, August 23, 2010
Black powder hand gun?
on black power guns why is there 2 clicks on the hamer.i have a .45cal kit that my father inlaw had ,but never put togather.i have put the gun togather,but i have never shot one before so any advice will be well taken.Black powder hand gun?
the first click is a type of safety, the second is ready to fire. carry your gun on the first click when waking, so if you accidentally hit the hammer, it would jar the cap enough to make the pistol shoot, then fully c@ck the pistol when you are ready to pull the trigger and fire the weapon.Black powder hand gun?
First click is called Half Cock and is used as a safety, the weapon should not fire at this stage.
Two clicks is called Full Cock and the weapon will fire at this setting.
You do not wont the hammer resting on the percussion cap when loaded, nor do you wont to walk around with a fully ****** weapon that is why you have the first setting Safety.
****= c@ck who ever sensors this post must thank we all stand around playing with our appendage all day.
The first click is the safety so that the hammer doesn't rest on the cap. Make sure you use pistol lube so it doesn't crossfire and cause the other chambers to ignite as well.
You may find this four page article helpful:
http://hunting.about.com/od/blackpowder/鈥?/a>
The first click is for when you are loading it you will be able to prime it without worrying about the hammer falling and the gun going off in your face. After the gun is loaded and primed pull the hammer back to the second click and it will be ready to shoot.oil acne
the first click is a type of safety, the second is ready to fire. carry your gun on the first click when waking, so if you accidentally hit the hammer, it would jar the cap enough to make the pistol shoot, then fully c@ck the pistol when you are ready to pull the trigger and fire the weapon.Black powder hand gun?
First click is called Half Cock and is used as a safety, the weapon should not fire at this stage.
Two clicks is called Full Cock and the weapon will fire at this setting.
You do not wont the hammer resting on the percussion cap when loaded, nor do you wont to walk around with a fully ****** weapon that is why you have the first setting Safety.
****= c@ck who ever sensors this post must thank we all stand around playing with our appendage all day.
The first click is the safety so that the hammer doesn't rest on the cap. Make sure you use pistol lube so it doesn't crossfire and cause the other chambers to ignite as well.
You may find this four page article helpful:
http://hunting.about.com/od/blackpowder/鈥?/a>
The first click is for when you are loading it you will be able to prime it without worrying about the hammer falling and the gun going off in your face. After the gun is loaded and primed pull the hammer back to the second click and it will be ready to shoot.
Black Powder Composition?
I heard that you can make black powder from a 74/26 Potassium Nitrate/Charcoal mix. But, I'm wonder about the sulpher... Isn't it neccecary?Black Powder Composition?
Gunpowder, also named black powder, is a mixture of sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate. It burns rapidly, producing volumes of hot solids and gases which can be used as a propellant in firearms and as a pyrotechnic composition in fireworks.
Proportions by weight are 75% potassium nitrate, 15% softwood charcoal, and 10% sulfur.
These ratios have varied over the centuries and by country, and can be altered somewhat depending on the purpose of the powder. For instance, low power grades of black powder, unsuitable for use in firearms but adequate for blasting rock in quarrying operations, is called blasting powder rather than gunpowder with standard proportions of 70% nitrate, 14% charcoal and 16% sulfur; blasting powder may be made with the cheaper sodium nitrate substituted for potassium nitrate and proportions may be as low as 40% nitrate, 30% charcoal and 30% sulfur.
Gunpowder, also named black powder, is a mixture of sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate. It burns rapidly, producing volumes of hot solids and gases which can be used as a propellant in firearms and as a pyrotechnic composition in fireworks.
Proportions by weight are 75% potassium nitrate, 15% softwood charcoal, and 10% sulfur.
These ratios have varied over the centuries and by country, and can be altered somewhat depending on the purpose of the powder. For instance, low power grades of black powder, unsuitable for use in firearms but adequate for blasting rock in quarrying operations, is called blasting powder rather than gunpowder with standard proportions of 70% nitrate, 14% charcoal and 16% sulfur; blasting powder may be made with the cheaper sodium nitrate substituted for potassium nitrate and proportions may be as low as 40% nitrate, 30% charcoal and 30% sulfur.
Black powder gun range?
We recently had to give up our range to some other shooters who werre complaining about the noise from the black powder rifles and cannons. does anyone know of any ranges that wouldnt complain about the noise in southern california?Black powder gun range?
Back when I used to shoot rifles, there were quite a few black powder shooters over at the angeles range. Osbourne exit off of the 210. Never seen anyone shooting a cannon though.
Back when I used to shoot rifles, there were quite a few black powder shooters over at the angeles range. Osbourne exit off of the 210. Never seen anyone shooting a cannon though.
Black powder or usp labs jacked?
Mainly for size gainingBlack powder or usp labs jacked?
I don't understand your question.
I don't understand your question.
A question about Black Powder firearms.?
Is the quality of these firearms good or bad?
The company that makes these firearms is called ';Delhi Gun House';.
Are they good or bad firearms?
Thanks
CheersA question about Black Powder firearms.?
I would steer clear of this company if you want a good quality rifle. There are many good mfgs of front stuffers, check around with some reputable dealers before you make any decisions.A question about Black Powder firearms.?
Total crap. Don't steer clear of them, RUN from them... If you buy one, you will soon find that the tolerances are waaaayyyy off...
Two good-quality Italian makers are Uberti and Pietta...
look at cabelas.com.
From what I have heard they sell junk replicas.
The company that makes these firearms is called ';Delhi Gun House';.
Are they good or bad firearms?
Thanks
CheersA question about Black Powder firearms.?
I would steer clear of this company if you want a good quality rifle. There are many good mfgs of front stuffers, check around with some reputable dealers before you make any decisions.A question about Black Powder firearms.?
Total crap. Don't steer clear of them, RUN from them... If you buy one, you will soon find that the tolerances are waaaayyyy off...
Two good-quality Italian makers are Uberti and Pietta...
look at cabelas.com.
From what I have heard they sell junk replicas.
I've a black powder made by Man Made Industry Diamond a tm of GE, catalog No MBS750 any ideas.?
It is synthetic diamond grade. I believe that it is used for industrial tools. For example, diamond cutting tips for certain drills and saws.I've a black powder made by Man Made Industry Diamond a tm of GE, catalog No MBS750 any ideas.?
It is exactly what it says - Some artificially made diamond. It is a commonly used grit for grinding and machining a variety of materials which are very hard and would not be easily abraded by the even more common carborundum based grit powders.
It is exactly what it says - Some artificially made diamond. It is a commonly used grit for grinding and machining a variety of materials which are very hard and would not be easily abraded by the even more common carborundum based grit powders.
How to make black powder?
buy it at the Body Shop, they have black powder there.How to make black powder?
good luck you will not find a answer hereHow to make black powder?
Powdered aluminum, potassium chlorate, sulfur.oil acne
good luck you will not find a answer hereHow to make black powder?
Powdered aluminum, potassium chlorate, sulfur.
What is black powder?
my boyfriend says his drug is black powder is it bad for you?what is it?What is black powder?
This is what most people call Hashish that has been ground up or powdered. Is it bad for you? Well, any drug is bad for you to some extent. At least he isn't doing cocaine or something really hard core. But if he does, you will be screwed as well because that stuff is expensive, and people who do that steal from their loved ones.What is black powder?
Black powder is another word for gun powder
This is what most people call Hashish that has been ground up or powdered. Is it bad for you? Well, any drug is bad for you to some extent. At least he isn't doing cocaine or something really hard core. But if he does, you will be screwed as well because that stuff is expensive, and people who do that steal from their loved ones.What is black powder?
Black powder is another word for gun powder
Why do black people put baby powder all over their chests and necks....?
And not rub it in, then go out in public like that? What's the point? I've seen this happen numerous times and just don't get it. It looks really stupid imo.Why do black people put baby powder all over their chests and necks....?
It's not just black people. A lot of old people do that too.Why do black people put baby powder all over their chests and necks....?
wat kind of blk ppl u be around cause i dnt kno any like that...maybe for a child to keep them from getting irritated when sweating but the only thing i kno adults do with it is probably put it on their feet for odor control and in the crouch area to absorb moisture
you might do it to a young child so he won't get sweaty and uncomfortable
where do you live? north or south, because i don't see any of that where i am
never saw this in my life you must live in a poor community maybe trailor next to ghetto to know this and have enough time to get so close to people ...trolling are you not
*looks down at her chest*
*sees no signs of baby powder anywhere*
*is flabbergasted*
*laughs quietly at this question*
Why are you so worried about it? Is it physically harming you?
successful blu eyes with tan,
That solarium is also reasonable in natasha villains?
I don't know where you live or the type of black people you're around, but I never see that nor do I do that.
I have never seen this happen before.
move out the hood
Why don't you ask someone you see doing it in person?
it smells good, makes ur skin smooth, and ive seen white people do that as well.
FOR BODY ODOR...
because you have genital herpes
Ya. All my black frends do that after gym and they looked terrible! sorry!
all blacks don't do that. it's only the ghetto ones
I saw that alot in school after gym...that and Palmer's. LOL
they want to look white
i dont do that
YUCK! What black people do that? Well I don't that's disgusting
to keep the funk down
we do........wow.
It's not just black people. A lot of old people do that too.Why do black people put baby powder all over their chests and necks....?
wat kind of blk ppl u be around cause i dnt kno any like that...maybe for a child to keep them from getting irritated when sweating but the only thing i kno adults do with it is probably put it on their feet for odor control and in the crouch area to absorb moisture
you might do it to a young child so he won't get sweaty and uncomfortable
where do you live? north or south, because i don't see any of that where i am
never saw this in my life you must live in a poor community maybe trailor next to ghetto to know this and have enough time to get so close to people ...trolling are you not
*looks down at her chest*
*sees no signs of baby powder anywhere*
*is flabbergasted*
*laughs quietly at this question*
Why are you so worried about it? Is it physically harming you?
successful blu eyes with tan,
That solarium is also reasonable in natasha villains?
I don't know where you live or the type of black people you're around, but I never see that nor do I do that.
I have never seen this happen before.
move out the hood
Why don't you ask someone you see doing it in person?
it smells good, makes ur skin smooth, and ive seen white people do that as well.
FOR BODY ODOR...
because you have genital herpes
Ya. All my black frends do that after gym and they looked terrible! sorry!
all blacks don't do that. it's only the ghetto ones
I saw that alot in school after gym...that and Palmer's. LOL
they want to look white
i dont do that
YUCK! What black people do that? Well I don't that's disgusting
to keep the funk down
we do........wow.
Does anyone know where to find info or appraisal on antique black powder pistols? ie derringer jukar 50 cal?
navy arms co. ridgefield new jersey 44 cal black powder octagon barrell .Does anyone know where to find info or appraisal on antique black powder pistols? ie derringer jukar 50 cal?
navy arms co imports recent made italian copies of antique arms. well made and fun to shoot. probally worth $200 to $300
to find value of actual antiques visit library for antique gun value book or your local firearms dealer might have one.
also try gunbroker.com online auctionDoes anyone know where to find info or appraisal on antique black powder pistols? ie derringer jukar 50 cal?
The best way is to take it to a reputable gun dealer. They have books with this info that tells them how the guns must be rated to find the percentage of imperfections. There is then a price scale the imperfection percentage is compared against. Unless you know exactly what to look for on your gun, you can't get an accurate price on your own. The dealer will also take into consideration serial numbers to find the production year of the gun and the rarity of it. For more info, you can contact Kevin Smith - owner operator of Smitty's LEO Supply in massillon Ohio - 330-830-9555. He has always given straight honest answers and may be able to give you a ballpark figure over the phone.
navy arms co imports recent made italian copies of antique arms. well made and fun to shoot. probally worth $200 to $300
to find value of actual antiques visit library for antique gun value book or your local firearms dealer might have one.
also try gunbroker.com online auctionDoes anyone know where to find info or appraisal on antique black powder pistols? ie derringer jukar 50 cal?
The best way is to take it to a reputable gun dealer. They have books with this info that tells them how the guns must be rated to find the percentage of imperfections. There is then a price scale the imperfection percentage is compared against. Unless you know exactly what to look for on your gun, you can't get an accurate price on your own. The dealer will also take into consideration serial numbers to find the production year of the gun and the rarity of it. For more info, you can contact Kevin Smith - owner operator of Smitty's LEO Supply in massillon Ohio - 330-830-9555. He has always given straight honest answers and may be able to give you a ballpark figure over the phone.
Is BLACK POWDER healthy?
What are the side effects? Should it be taken by teenagers? How does it affect the body?Is BLACK POWDER healthy?
People like to put it into your head that supplements are bad for you. Its basically just an energy drink. It will give you the energy and focus that you need to complete a workout. Im 15, and i take a nitric oxide supplement as well. I have been taking it for about 5 months and i have seen no bad effects, only an increase in strength and size. So i say go for it man, the pump is awesome and you will feel the energy almost right away. I have also heard many good reviews about black powder. Good luck man.
People like to put it into your head that supplements are bad for you. Its basically just an energy drink. It will give you the energy and focus that you need to complete a workout. Im 15, and i take a nitric oxide supplement as well. I have been taking it for about 5 months and i have seen no bad effects, only an increase in strength and size. So i say go for it man, the pump is awesome and you will feel the energy almost right away. I have also heard many good reviews about black powder. Good luck man.
How do u make black powder?
charcoal, sulpher, and salt peter in the proper proportions. However, making black powder is highly dangerous (and illegal in some states) Mix the wrong amounts and boom. use the wrong tools to mix it, and boom. static electricity and boom. get it on the lid ot threads of a jar or container when closing it, and boom. In other words, buy black powder pre made if you are using it for a rifle or pistol, just make sure you get the proper powder for your firearm. Then handle it with care. If you had plans to use it for illegal means, my suggestion is, DO NOT! And yes, this site is monitored by government agencies who love to check up on people asking suspicious questions.How do u make black powder?
Black powder is a mixture of charcoal, sulfur and salt peter. It is easily made but is dangerous. You have to grind the parts together with a morter and pestle and this can be very dangerous. The mixture can explode wile you are grinding it. Once you have it ground, what you actually have is an extremely fine black powder called serpentine powder that would be considered flash powder. With agitation from being carried around, it will settle and change composition. The only way to make it homogenous is to make it into a paste, dry the paste into a block, break up the block , grind it into a granular powder and then sieve it into the varous grades. This is not easy and is also very dangerous. If you decide to try to make black powder in spite of my warnings, have the decency to do it a long way away from the house and keep everyone away. Make sure you have adequate insurance to pay for any damage that you do when it blows up and have enough life insurance to pay for your final medical bills and bury you. It's the only reasonable thing to do if you are determined to use this way to find out if there is life after death.How do u make black powder?
Ya, it is indeed Potassium Nitrate, Granulated charcoal and specific sulfur compounds or better yet, pure sulfur. It is relatively simple to make, IF you know what you are doing....
That being said, as a chemist by profession, I must warn you against trying to synthesize it. As the above posters have said, nothing good comes from trying to make your own. Improper mixing, improper ratios, or even improper handling techniques can result in you losing fingers! not a good idea.
Im a pyrotechnician and you just cant go make bp outa the blue.And homemade bp is almost no good for hunting.
However it usualy consist of a mix of kn03 and charcoal as well as sulfer.Its hard stuff to make.It requires mixing granulating and much more.
charcoal, sulpher, and salt peter in the proper proportions. but i must say it is prohibited in some states and hiighly dangerous dont do it
Equal portions of potassium nitrate (salt peter), sulfur and powdered charcoal. With that being said DO NOT EVEN TRY
With a license.
And training.
Recipes are everywhere - just don't do it.
Black powder is a mixture of charcoal, sulfur and salt peter. It is easily made but is dangerous. You have to grind the parts together with a morter and pestle and this can be very dangerous. The mixture can explode wile you are grinding it. Once you have it ground, what you actually have is an extremely fine black powder called serpentine powder that would be considered flash powder. With agitation from being carried around, it will settle and change composition. The only way to make it homogenous is to make it into a paste, dry the paste into a block, break up the block , grind it into a granular powder and then sieve it into the varous grades. This is not easy and is also very dangerous. If you decide to try to make black powder in spite of my warnings, have the decency to do it a long way away from the house and keep everyone away. Make sure you have adequate insurance to pay for any damage that you do when it blows up and have enough life insurance to pay for your final medical bills and bury you. It's the only reasonable thing to do if you are determined to use this way to find out if there is life after death.How do u make black powder?
Ya, it is indeed Potassium Nitrate, Granulated charcoal and specific sulfur compounds or better yet, pure sulfur. It is relatively simple to make, IF you know what you are doing....
That being said, as a chemist by profession, I must warn you against trying to synthesize it. As the above posters have said, nothing good comes from trying to make your own. Improper mixing, improper ratios, or even improper handling techniques can result in you losing fingers! not a good idea.
Im a pyrotechnician and you just cant go make bp outa the blue.And homemade bp is almost no good for hunting.
However it usualy consist of a mix of kn03 and charcoal as well as sulfer.Its hard stuff to make.It requires mixing granulating and much more.
charcoal, sulpher, and salt peter in the proper proportions. but i must say it is prohibited in some states and hiighly dangerous dont do it
Equal portions of potassium nitrate (salt peter), sulfur and powdered charcoal. With that being said DO NOT EVEN TRY
With a license.
And training.
Recipes are everywhere - just don't do it.
I have a traditions 50 cal black powder gun. for turkey hunting how many bb's do you put in the barrel?and ...?
and do you use the same amout of pyrodex as you would with a slug.I have a traditions 50 cal black powder gun. for turkey hunting how many bb's do you put in the barrel?and ...?
While in a pinch or a survival situation one could use a muzzle-loading rifle as a shotgun, it is not recommended. You could however use a musket or a muzzle loading shotgun for your project. You need to find a shot scoop that measures the volume of shot and not worry about the number of pellets. You'll also need over powder and over shot cards to keep everything in place in the barrel.I have a traditions 50 cal black powder gun. for turkey hunting how many bb's do you put in the barrel?and ...?
I began wondering about using my black powder as a multiuse platform about three years ago. I did some checking online, went to the library, and asked questions at a civil war reenactment. I found some info about how some settlers would take lead shot and use it in their muzzle loaders for taking pheasant and quail. To mimic those loads I went and got some 44 caliber sabots. I then got some 44 caliber shot shell cases. Load the shot case with 6 or 4 shot, place it in the sabot and set it on a 50 grain piece of Pyrodex. It works on squirrels, sitting ducks, and sitting pheasant. I even got three quail while they were sitting under a tree.
As for the disclaimer this is a project I did on my own and not something that I would say is an accepted practice or something I would say is ok for others to do. I'm just relating one of my own experiences here.
Some people don't know what they're talking about. You're NOT going to blow yourself up !
You aren't going to get very good patterns though.
1 1/2, 2 ounces of shot.
Powder wise, I'm not sure. Someone else would have to answer that part.
Around 1.5 ounces of BB, but the pattern will be garbage. As for powder an easy way is to use the same volume as the volume of shot. Not very exact but it will be safe and have shotgun penetration.
If you don't use a sabot of some kind and just back them into a rifled barrel you're going to get a donut pattern on just about anything you shoot at distance. Don't get hurt.
You need a black powder shot gun. I would not use a 50 cal as a shot gun. You may find yourself getting blown up.
Ha! You don't put BBs in a .50 caliber black powder rifle!
You don't put BB's in a muzzle loading rifle.oil acne
While in a pinch or a survival situation one could use a muzzle-loading rifle as a shotgun, it is not recommended. You could however use a musket or a muzzle loading shotgun for your project. You need to find a shot scoop that measures the volume of shot and not worry about the number of pellets. You'll also need over powder and over shot cards to keep everything in place in the barrel.I have a traditions 50 cal black powder gun. for turkey hunting how many bb's do you put in the barrel?and ...?
I began wondering about using my black powder as a multiuse platform about three years ago. I did some checking online, went to the library, and asked questions at a civil war reenactment. I found some info about how some settlers would take lead shot and use it in their muzzle loaders for taking pheasant and quail. To mimic those loads I went and got some 44 caliber sabots. I then got some 44 caliber shot shell cases. Load the shot case with 6 or 4 shot, place it in the sabot and set it on a 50 grain piece of Pyrodex. It works on squirrels, sitting ducks, and sitting pheasant. I even got three quail while they were sitting under a tree.
As for the disclaimer this is a project I did on my own and not something that I would say is an accepted practice or something I would say is ok for others to do. I'm just relating one of my own experiences here.
Some people don't know what they're talking about. You're NOT going to blow yourself up !
You aren't going to get very good patterns though.
1 1/2, 2 ounces of shot.
Powder wise, I'm not sure. Someone else would have to answer that part.
Around 1.5 ounces of BB, but the pattern will be garbage. As for powder an easy way is to use the same volume as the volume of shot. Not very exact but it will be safe and have shotgun penetration.
If you don't use a sabot of some kind and just back them into a rifled barrel you're going to get a donut pattern on just about anything you shoot at distance. Don't get hurt.
You need a black powder shot gun. I would not use a 50 cal as a shot gun. You may find yourself getting blown up.
Ha! You don't put BBs in a .50 caliber black powder rifle!
You don't put BB's in a muzzle loading rifle.
Mri Black Powder is it creatine?
It states in the ingredients section of Mri black that it contains creatine....does that mean that when i take mri black i will experience the same effects as if i was taking creatine....plus will the muscle that i build only be water weight because of the creatine in mri black....if it does then mri black should be a creatine powder and not a pre workout powder....help!!!!!Mri Black Powder is it creatine?
while it contains creatine, the boost is from No2...try the no2 black pills...they are expensive but they really work.
while it contains creatine, the boost is from No2...try the no2 black pills...they are expensive but they really work.
Black powder reloading?
When reloading a 45-70 with black powder how do I ensure there is no air gap between the bullet and powder charge?Black powder reloading?
Dropper tubes were used in black powder reloading for this purpose. With the help of a dropper tube, the powder will be stacked on top of each other so there will be little space between each powder grains. Also, all powder inside a black powder cartridge should be compressed. The use of a dropper tube and compressed loads will eliminate any air pockets inside the cartridge.
PS: Long dropper tube work better with bigger cartridges.Black powder reloading?
Hello 310S.
You are needlessly concerned about air pockets with the wrong powder! Generally, your blackpowder charge will fill the case ... especially if you are shooting a ';Duplex'; load! Air space is of greater impact when you are loading smokeless powder, because the powder orientation will not only affect bullect velocity, but also your bullet's accuracy!
Generally, when you drop your powder down a drop tube, the grains will orient and better fill the case. Generally, when you seat the bullet, you will hear a grating crunch ... this is when the bullet compresses the powder.
Do not stress over air space in blackpowder loads!
Good luck and good shooting!
When loading any cartridge with black powder, the case of the cartridge usually holds only that amount of powder when full enough to just let the bullet seat with a slight crushing of powder. I load my .45-120 cartridges with ffG black powder and the cases will hold a maximum of only about 115 grains of powder. It is when you want to load your cartridges with a light load that you will have to worry about airspace between the powder and the bullet. When I make light loads for my .45-120, I put in the amount of powder that I want to use. Then I place a cardboard wad over the powder and press it into place with a dowel. Then I finish filing the cartridge with either coarse ground cornemal or Cream of Wheat leaving just enough room for the bullet to be fully seated. For the overpowder wads, I use posterboard or the cardboard from the back ot writing tablets. I have a punch that will cut .45 caliber wads. If you don't have a punch, you can use wadded paper or do what the old timers did and use pieces of waspnest on top of the powder. Just tamp it solidly in place so that you form a seal between the powder and whatever filler you choose to use on top of the powder.
You can find this technique discussed in further dertail in many blackpowder manuals. You can probably find one at your library or have them get one for you on interlibrary loan.
WARNING!! Never use any kind of filler or wadding when using smokeless powder. You can cause an overpressure that can damage your gun and possibly injure you. This warning does not apply to blackpowder substitutes. You may treat them just as you would real blackpowder. For the most part, they are equil in performance to black powder on a volume basis. However, some, such as Triple 7, will generate more pressure than an equil volume of blackpowder. I have never had any problem when shooting Triple 7 in my .45-120 but I can tell that it has a bit more recoil than when using the same volume of blackpowder. Jusat for safety's sake, if you use Triple 7, reduce you loads slightly. I'd suggest reducing by about 10 grain volume equivalent. That is to say, set your powder measure to 60 grains instead of 70 grains toi start with. You may be able to move it up to 65 grains volume equivalent after trying 60 grains volume equivalent. Stay safe and have fun.
45-70 black powder should be 70 grains of fffg. I have not built a BP load with the new BP subsitutes...those may have a different volume for the charge weight when compared with genuine black powder.
I have seen paper or wadding over powder if the case isnt full on some BP loads.
I'd look up the dimensions for over all length... seat a bullet and check it...you may have to play with the charge or seating depth to get what you want.
The original load for the rifle was 70 grains of FF black powder under a 500 grain lead bullet.
The carbine load was 65 grains of FF under a 405 grain bullet.
For filler I've used cotton balls. Use real cotton, not rayon or any other fake cotton ball. You can also use Walter's Wads. These are fiber wads cut in circles and slightly over bore diameter. The original used paper wads so the Walter's should be the best. Just make sure the powder charge is compressed a bit and put a heavy crimp on the bullet. I buy the Walter's Wads from www.midwayusa.com
If you're loading lighter loads that *really* don't fill the space, get yourself a box of Cream Of Wheat and use that. It's probably used by more reloaders than it is by folks eating it for breakfast.
Dropper tubes were used in black powder reloading for this purpose. With the help of a dropper tube, the powder will be stacked on top of each other so there will be little space between each powder grains. Also, all powder inside a black powder cartridge should be compressed. The use of a dropper tube and compressed loads will eliminate any air pockets inside the cartridge.
PS: Long dropper tube work better with bigger cartridges.Black powder reloading?
Hello 310S.
You are needlessly concerned about air pockets with the wrong powder! Generally, your blackpowder charge will fill the case ... especially if you are shooting a ';Duplex'; load! Air space is of greater impact when you are loading smokeless powder, because the powder orientation will not only affect bullect velocity, but also your bullet's accuracy!
Generally, when you drop your powder down a drop tube, the grains will orient and better fill the case. Generally, when you seat the bullet, you will hear a grating crunch ... this is when the bullet compresses the powder.
Do not stress over air space in blackpowder loads!
Good luck and good shooting!
When loading any cartridge with black powder, the case of the cartridge usually holds only that amount of powder when full enough to just let the bullet seat with a slight crushing of powder. I load my .45-120 cartridges with ffG black powder and the cases will hold a maximum of only about 115 grains of powder. It is when you want to load your cartridges with a light load that you will have to worry about airspace between the powder and the bullet. When I make light loads for my .45-120, I put in the amount of powder that I want to use. Then I place a cardboard wad over the powder and press it into place with a dowel. Then I finish filing the cartridge with either coarse ground cornemal or Cream of Wheat leaving just enough room for the bullet to be fully seated. For the overpowder wads, I use posterboard or the cardboard from the back ot writing tablets. I have a punch that will cut .45 caliber wads. If you don't have a punch, you can use wadded paper or do what the old timers did and use pieces of waspnest on top of the powder. Just tamp it solidly in place so that you form a seal between the powder and whatever filler you choose to use on top of the powder.
You can find this technique discussed in further dertail in many blackpowder manuals. You can probably find one at your library or have them get one for you on interlibrary loan.
WARNING!! Never use any kind of filler or wadding when using smokeless powder. You can cause an overpressure that can damage your gun and possibly injure you. This warning does not apply to blackpowder substitutes. You may treat them just as you would real blackpowder. For the most part, they are equil in performance to black powder on a volume basis. However, some, such as Triple 7, will generate more pressure than an equil volume of blackpowder. I have never had any problem when shooting Triple 7 in my .45-120 but I can tell that it has a bit more recoil than when using the same volume of blackpowder. Jusat for safety's sake, if you use Triple 7, reduce you loads slightly. I'd suggest reducing by about 10 grain volume equivalent. That is to say, set your powder measure to 60 grains instead of 70 grains toi start with. You may be able to move it up to 65 grains volume equivalent after trying 60 grains volume equivalent. Stay safe and have fun.
45-70 black powder should be 70 grains of fffg. I have not built a BP load with the new BP subsitutes...those may have a different volume for the charge weight when compared with genuine black powder.
I have seen paper or wadding over powder if the case isnt full on some BP loads.
I'd look up the dimensions for over all length... seat a bullet and check it...you may have to play with the charge or seating depth to get what you want.
The original load for the rifle was 70 grains of FF black powder under a 500 grain lead bullet.
The carbine load was 65 grains of FF under a 405 grain bullet.
For filler I've used cotton balls. Use real cotton, not rayon or any other fake cotton ball. You can also use Walter's Wads. These are fiber wads cut in circles and slightly over bore diameter. The original used paper wads so the Walter's should be the best. Just make sure the powder charge is compressed a bit and put a heavy crimp on the bullet. I buy the Walter's Wads from www.midwayusa.com
If you're loading lighter loads that *really* don't fill the space, get yourself a box of Cream Of Wheat and use that. It's probably used by more reloaders than it is by folks eating it for breakfast.
Black Powder (Gunpowder) Questions?
I know the formula 75:15:10. I need to know if there's a substitute for sulfur, or a way to make your own. Any information would be great towards my research.Black Powder (Gunpowder) Questions?
hit up the atf site ask them
if you have to ask youll never know
hit up the atf site ask them
if you have to ask youll never know
Black powder in capsules is it a drug?
found capsules in teen's room Im afraid he is usingBlack powder in capsules is it a drug?
i know of no medicines that are black but i'm not a doctor or anything.
Drug Type: Heroin: A potent semisynthetic narcotic which is derived from morphine. Heroin has been estimated six times stronger than morphine.
Opium:
This is the substance that is derived from the Papaver somniferum poppy plant (not native to the United States). All opiates are derived from opium, to include morphine, heroin, codeine, and thebaine.
Opioid%26lt;/B%26gt;%26lt;/I%26gt;s: Synthetic (man-made) drugs which have the same effect as opiates.
Other Names: Heroin: H, smack, horse, junk, black tar, Mexican brown, manteca, teca, and tec. Bindles, bags, and bolsa (spanish for bag), refer to packaging in foil or baggies. A finger refers to 7 to 9 grams of heroin.
Opiates/Opioids listed below are legal with a prescription, but heavily abused:
Opiates: Morphine, codeine, hydromorphone, hydrocodone (Dilaudid), oxycodone (Percodan), Percocet, Tylox
Opioids: Merepidines (Demerol), methadone (Dolophine), propoxyphene (Darvon), fentanyl (Sublimaze), Pentazocine (Talwin)
What it looks like:
Heroin in its pure form is a crystalline powder ranging in color from white to dark brown.
Black-tar heroin is a form of heroin produced in Mexico that may be sticky like roofing tar or hard like coal, and ranges in color from dark brown to black.
Opiates/ Opioids are legal with a prescription. If in liquid form, bottles should be labeled with the tradename, and if in pill form, the markings on one or both sides of the pills serve to identify it. A pharmacist or a Physicians Desk Reference can be used to determine what the pill is based on its markings. Opiates/Opioids that have been diverted (illegally obtained) may be found on the street in a crushed, powdered form, contained in a tiny piece of aluminum foil or tiny plastic bags.
How it is used: Most opiates/opioids are taken orally or injected. Heroin can be snorted, injected or smoked (called ';chasing the dragon,'; heroin is heated on a piece of aluminum foil and the fumes are inhaled)
Effect of the drug:
鈥?Euphoria
鈥?Drowsiness
鈥?Dry mouth, dry skin
鈥?Nausea, constipation
鈥?Respiratory depression
鈥?Anxiety
鈥?Slowed heart rate and drop in blood pressure
Negative Effects/Overdose Effects:
Heroin is so powerful that the effects can be felt within seconds depending on the method of ingestion. It is so addictive that users will feel withdrawal symptoms within 6 to 12 hours of the last dose. The withdrawal symptoms for heroin/opiates/opioids are flu-like and include:
鈥?Disorientation
鈥?Runny nose, watery eyes
鈥?Diarrhea
鈥?Pain/muscle cramps
鈥?Alternating chills and profuse sweating
Heroin users can never be certain of the potency of the dose they are getting so overdosing is common. Some rates of purity (which determine potency) in heroin samples have been found to be over 90%, while the national average is 41%. Heroin users risk overdose with each and every dose. The effects for heroin overdose and opiate/opioid overdose include:
鈥?Slow, shallow breathing
鈥?Pain, muscle cramps
鈥?Rapid heartbeat/anxiety
鈥?Convulsions
鈥?Coma
鈥?Death
What to look for:
鈥?Lip licking (due to dry mouth)
鈥?Slurred speech/lethargy (sleepiness, ';nodding off';)
鈥?Constricted pupils
鈥?Loss of coordination
鈥?Depressed vital signs
鈥?Sweating
Paraphernalia Associated with Drug Use:
鈥?Hypodermic needles/syringes
鈥?Look for ';tracks'; on the skin, usually on the inside of the arm. Tracks are marks left by repeated injections. Many heroin addicts will inject in unusual locations, such as in the toes, legs, or neck, to avoid detection by family or law enforcement.
鈥?Discarded pieces of aluminum foil (called bindles) or tiny plastic baggies (called bags) which are methods of packaging.
鈥?Cotton balls/spoons/belt, rope, large rubber band (these items are used by the heroin addict for injecting heroin. The cotton ball removes impurities, the spoon is used for heating heroin to dissolve it and belts, ropes, or bands wrapped around the arm ready the vein for injection)
鈥?Cutting agents like mannitol, inositol, laxatives, quinine, sugar, flour, baking soda, lidocaine or procaine, and scales, large amounts of clean baggies, strainers, boxes of aluminum foil, found with heroin or in a heroin user鈥檚 possession, would indicate a heroin dealer, especially if items are found in an unusual location (bedroom, bathroom, hall closet), or if quantities of cutting agents are not consistent with personal use. Because the cutting agents are legal, they would probably not be hidden.
Potential for Abuse: Current national studies of high school students show that about 2 percent have tried heroin, and that about 73% perceive heroin use as being very harmful. (Source: Monitoring the Future 1999 Study/National Institute of Drug Abuse) Although the numbers look promising, heroin deaths among teenagers are becoming more common as heroin has made its way back onto the ';rave party'; and club scene. Heroin/opiate addiction affects all age groups and socio-economic classes. Heroin is incredibly accessible, and can be purchased on the street or in night-clubs. Because a heroin addict鈥檚 habit will cost from $20 to $100 per day (with each .1 gram dose costing between $15 to $30 dollars), heroin addicts will frequently engage in other activities such as prostitution, thefts or burglaries. Most importantly, deadly, infectious diseases such as AIDS or Hepatitis are known to be transmitted at an alarming rate among the intravenous (needle sharing) drug-using population.
Top of PageBlack powder in capsules is it a drug?
I once accidentally split open one of those KGB anti-hangover pills and it was like soot coming out, so hopefully that's all it is.
bring it in to someone who can analyze it or get him drug tested would be my advice to you. good luck
Maybe it is gun powder? Light it on fire..
i know of no medicines that are black but i'm not a doctor or anything.
Drug Type: Heroin: A potent semisynthetic narcotic which is derived from morphine. Heroin has been estimated six times stronger than morphine.
Opium:
This is the substance that is derived from the Papaver somniferum poppy plant (not native to the United States). All opiates are derived from opium, to include morphine, heroin, codeine, and thebaine.
Opioid%26lt;/B%26gt;%26lt;/I%26gt;s: Synthetic (man-made) drugs which have the same effect as opiates.
Other Names: Heroin: H, smack, horse, junk, black tar, Mexican brown, manteca, teca, and tec. Bindles, bags, and bolsa (spanish for bag), refer to packaging in foil or baggies. A finger refers to 7 to 9 grams of heroin.
Opiates/Opioids listed below are legal with a prescription, but heavily abused:
Opiates: Morphine, codeine, hydromorphone, hydrocodone (Dilaudid), oxycodone (Percodan), Percocet, Tylox
Opioids: Merepidines (Demerol), methadone (Dolophine), propoxyphene (Darvon), fentanyl (Sublimaze), Pentazocine (Talwin)
What it looks like:
Heroin in its pure form is a crystalline powder ranging in color from white to dark brown.
Black-tar heroin is a form of heroin produced in Mexico that may be sticky like roofing tar or hard like coal, and ranges in color from dark brown to black.
Opiates/ Opioids are legal with a prescription. If in liquid form, bottles should be labeled with the tradename, and if in pill form, the markings on one or both sides of the pills serve to identify it. A pharmacist or a Physicians Desk Reference can be used to determine what the pill is based on its markings. Opiates/Opioids that have been diverted (illegally obtained) may be found on the street in a crushed, powdered form, contained in a tiny piece of aluminum foil or tiny plastic bags.
How it is used: Most opiates/opioids are taken orally or injected. Heroin can be snorted, injected or smoked (called ';chasing the dragon,'; heroin is heated on a piece of aluminum foil and the fumes are inhaled)
Effect of the drug:
鈥?Euphoria
鈥?Drowsiness
鈥?Dry mouth, dry skin
鈥?Nausea, constipation
鈥?Respiratory depression
鈥?Anxiety
鈥?Slowed heart rate and drop in blood pressure
Negative Effects/Overdose Effects:
Heroin is so powerful that the effects can be felt within seconds depending on the method of ingestion. It is so addictive that users will feel withdrawal symptoms within 6 to 12 hours of the last dose. The withdrawal symptoms for heroin/opiates/opioids are flu-like and include:
鈥?Disorientation
鈥?Runny nose, watery eyes
鈥?Diarrhea
鈥?Pain/muscle cramps
鈥?Alternating chills and profuse sweating
Heroin users can never be certain of the potency of the dose they are getting so overdosing is common. Some rates of purity (which determine potency) in heroin samples have been found to be over 90%, while the national average is 41%. Heroin users risk overdose with each and every dose. The effects for heroin overdose and opiate/opioid overdose include:
鈥?Slow, shallow breathing
鈥?Pain, muscle cramps
鈥?Rapid heartbeat/anxiety
鈥?Convulsions
鈥?Coma
鈥?Death
What to look for:
鈥?Lip licking (due to dry mouth)
鈥?Slurred speech/lethargy (sleepiness, ';nodding off';)
鈥?Constricted pupils
鈥?Loss of coordination
鈥?Depressed vital signs
鈥?Sweating
Paraphernalia Associated with Drug Use:
鈥?Hypodermic needles/syringes
鈥?Look for ';tracks'; on the skin, usually on the inside of the arm. Tracks are marks left by repeated injections. Many heroin addicts will inject in unusual locations, such as in the toes, legs, or neck, to avoid detection by family or law enforcement.
鈥?Discarded pieces of aluminum foil (called bindles) or tiny plastic baggies (called bags) which are methods of packaging.
鈥?Cotton balls/spoons/belt, rope, large rubber band (these items are used by the heroin addict for injecting heroin. The cotton ball removes impurities, the spoon is used for heating heroin to dissolve it and belts, ropes, or bands wrapped around the arm ready the vein for injection)
鈥?Cutting agents like mannitol, inositol, laxatives, quinine, sugar, flour, baking soda, lidocaine or procaine, and scales, large amounts of clean baggies, strainers, boxes of aluminum foil, found with heroin or in a heroin user鈥檚 possession, would indicate a heroin dealer, especially if items are found in an unusual location (bedroom, bathroom, hall closet), or if quantities of cutting agents are not consistent with personal use. Because the cutting agents are legal, they would probably not be hidden.
Potential for Abuse: Current national studies of high school students show that about 2 percent have tried heroin, and that about 73% perceive heroin use as being very harmful. (Source: Monitoring the Future 1999 Study/National Institute of Drug Abuse) Although the numbers look promising, heroin deaths among teenagers are becoming more common as heroin has made its way back onto the ';rave party'; and club scene. Heroin/opiate addiction affects all age groups and socio-economic classes. Heroin is incredibly accessible, and can be purchased on the street or in night-clubs. Because a heroin addict鈥檚 habit will cost from $20 to $100 per day (with each .1 gram dose costing between $15 to $30 dollars), heroin addicts will frequently engage in other activities such as prostitution, thefts or burglaries. Most importantly, deadly, infectious diseases such as AIDS or Hepatitis are known to be transmitted at an alarming rate among the intravenous (needle sharing) drug-using population.
Top of PageBlack powder in capsules is it a drug?
I once accidentally split open one of those KGB anti-hangover pills and it was like soot coming out, so hopefully that's all it is.
bring it in to someone who can analyze it or get him drug tested would be my advice to you. good luck
Maybe it is gun powder? Light it on fire..
Does anyone know the mixture for Black Powder?(Gunpowder)?
I am trying to find the composition of Black Powder and i think that is is charcoal,sulfer,pottasium or something like that. PLease include the quantity of each ingredient as they are crucial for my research.Does anyone know the mixture for Black Powder?(Gunpowder)?
';By weight measure, black powder is made of seventy-five parts saltpeter finely ground, fifteen parts charcoal, and ten parts sulfur. All ingredients must be fine ground separately. This can be accomplished with either a mortar and pestle, or with a hand-cranked flour mill. Never mix all three ingredients before grinding unless you want to turn your mill into a deadly grenade, or your mortar into a cannon that can blow off your fingers or even your hand.';
Dont forget that gunpowder is a low-explosive. it will not explode in the open atmosphere, but will explode under compretion. In other words, dont keep it in an airtight container.
BE CAREFULL!!! Remember, flamible things tend to burn!;-)Does anyone know the mixture for Black Powder?(Gunpowder)?
sulfer,carbon%26amp;potasium. I believe in equal amounts.
Gunpowder, explosive powder used in ballistics, specifically, black powder, an explosive mixture of about 75 per cent potassium nitrate, 15 per cent charcoal, and 10 per cent sulphur. Gunpowder was the first explosive known. The formula for gunpowder appears in the writings of the 13th-century English monk Roger Bacon, but it seems to have been discovered by the Chinese, who had used it in firecrackers several hundred years before his time. Gunpowder was probably introduced into Europe from the Middle East. Berthold Schwarz, a German monk of the early 14th century, may have been the first person to employ gunpowder for propelling a projectile. Whatever the precise dates and identities of its first discoverers and users, it is certain that gunpowder was manufactured in England in 1334 and that powder-manufacturing plants existed in Germany in 1340. In the time of Elizabeth I, the manufacture of gunpowder was conducted as a monopoly of the Crown. Regulations relating to gunpowder in England date from about 1623. It was the only explosive known until the discovery of fulminating gold, a powerful explosive first used in 1628 in European warsoil acne
';By weight measure, black powder is made of seventy-five parts saltpeter finely ground, fifteen parts charcoal, and ten parts sulfur. All ingredients must be fine ground separately. This can be accomplished with either a mortar and pestle, or with a hand-cranked flour mill. Never mix all three ingredients before grinding unless you want to turn your mill into a deadly grenade, or your mortar into a cannon that can blow off your fingers or even your hand.';
Dont forget that gunpowder is a low-explosive. it will not explode in the open atmosphere, but will explode under compretion. In other words, dont keep it in an airtight container.
BE CAREFULL!!! Remember, flamible things tend to burn!;-)Does anyone know the mixture for Black Powder?(Gunpowder)?
sulfer,carbon%26amp;potasium. I believe in equal amounts.
Gunpowder, explosive powder used in ballistics, specifically, black powder, an explosive mixture of about 75 per cent potassium nitrate, 15 per cent charcoal, and 10 per cent sulphur. Gunpowder was the first explosive known. The formula for gunpowder appears in the writings of the 13th-century English monk Roger Bacon, but it seems to have been discovered by the Chinese, who had used it in firecrackers several hundred years before his time. Gunpowder was probably introduced into Europe from the Middle East. Berthold Schwarz, a German monk of the early 14th century, may have been the first person to employ gunpowder for propelling a projectile. Whatever the precise dates and identities of its first discoverers and users, it is certain that gunpowder was manufactured in England in 1334 and that powder-manufacturing plants existed in Germany in 1340. In the time of Elizabeth I, the manufacture of gunpowder was conducted as a monopoly of the Crown. Regulations relating to gunpowder in England date from about 1623. It was the only explosive known until the discovery of fulminating gold, a powerful explosive first used in 1628 in European wars
Does anyone know the composition of Black powder?(Gunpowder)?
I think that the mixture is made of sulfur, charcoal, and some other things that i don't know and i also need to learn the quantity of each ingredient.Does anyone know the composition of Black powder?(Gunpowder)?
Mostly sodium nitrate about 70%, about 20% sulfur, and 10% carbon.
The trick to making good black powder is that you have to have it all finely powdered, mixed well with water, then you dry it out in an oven (Yes, in an oven!) If you don't have your oven temperature just right, you can blow yourself up!!!! NOT to be tried at home!
You can buy a can of black powder for about $25 at a gun store. Much safer and cheaper!
Why do you need black powder? I hope you're not planning to blow anything up!
I'm a chemist and I've tried making small (less than 1 g) quantities of black powder and it's never been very good... it just sort of sparkles and fizzles, doesn't really blow up. So, if I were you, I'd buy the stuff at a gun store.
I really hope you're an antique gun enthusiast and NOT a psycho/terrorist.
Take care!
DavidDoes anyone know the composition of Black powder?(Gunpowder)?
Be sure to have an adult supervise any experimenting you do. Remember be responsible. At 12 years old if you have the mental capacity to study this kind of chemistry you are also capable of having good common sense. Take care!! Report Abuse
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Gunpowder, explosive powder used in ballistics, specifically, black powder, an explosive mixture of about 75 per cent potassium nitrate, 15 per cent charcoal, and 10 per cent sulphur. Gunpowder was the first explosive known. The formula for gunpowder appears in the writings of the 13th-century English monk Roger Bacon, but it seems to have been discovered by the Chinese, who had used it in firecrackers several hundred years before his time. Gunpowder was probably introduced into Europe from the Middle East. Berthold Schwarz, a German monk of the early 14th century, may have been the first person to employ gunpowder for propelling a projectile. Whatever the precise dates and identities of its first discoverers and users, it is certain that gunpowder was manufactured in England in 1334 and that powder-manufacturing plants existed in Germany in 1340. In the time of Elizabeth I, the manufacture of gunpowder was conducted as a monopoly of the Crown. Regulations relating to gunpowder in England date from about 1623. It was the only explosive known until the discovery of fulminating gold, a powerful explosive first used in 1628 in European wars
Mostly sodium nitrate about 70%, about 20% sulfur, and 10% carbon.
The trick to making good black powder is that you have to have it all finely powdered, mixed well with water, then you dry it out in an oven (Yes, in an oven!) If you don't have your oven temperature just right, you can blow yourself up!!!! NOT to be tried at home!
You can buy a can of black powder for about $25 at a gun store. Much safer and cheaper!
Why do you need black powder? I hope you're not planning to blow anything up!
I'm a chemist and I've tried making small (less than 1 g) quantities of black powder and it's never been very good... it just sort of sparkles and fizzles, doesn't really blow up. So, if I were you, I'd buy the stuff at a gun store.
I really hope you're an antique gun enthusiast and NOT a psycho/terrorist.
Take care!
DavidDoes anyone know the composition of Black powder?(Gunpowder)?
Be sure to have an adult supervise any experimenting you do. Remember be responsible. At 12 years old if you have the mental capacity to study this kind of chemistry you are also capable of having good common sense. Take care!! Report Abuse
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had a better answer///// Report Abuse
Gunpowder, explosive powder used in ballistics, specifically, black powder, an explosive mixture of about 75 per cent potassium nitrate, 15 per cent charcoal, and 10 per cent sulphur. Gunpowder was the first explosive known. The formula for gunpowder appears in the writings of the 13th-century English monk Roger Bacon, but it seems to have been discovered by the Chinese, who had used it in firecrackers several hundred years before his time. Gunpowder was probably introduced into Europe from the Middle East. Berthold Schwarz, a German monk of the early 14th century, may have been the first person to employ gunpowder for propelling a projectile. Whatever the precise dates and identities of its first discoverers and users, it is certain that gunpowder was manufactured in England in 1334 and that powder-manufacturing plants existed in Germany in 1340. In the time of Elizabeth I, the manufacture of gunpowder was conducted as a monopoly of the Crown. Regulations relating to gunpowder in England date from about 1623. It was the only explosive known until the discovery of fulminating gold, a powerful explosive first used in 1628 in European wars
Flash Powder or Black Powder?
What type of powder are in bang snaps (the things you throw against the ground) and cap gun ammo?Flash Powder or Black Powder?
the ';bang snaps'; use flint and iron to set off a black powder like explosive the cap guns use black/gun powder with a concusive agent
the ';bang snaps'; use flint and iron to set off a black powder like explosive the cap guns use black/gun powder with a concusive agent
Looking for black powder horns stock?
Years ago I got to know people ate slaughter houses and then told them what I was looking for in types and colors of horns. Because of this I got the pick of some of the better horns and they saved the some of the most unusual for me to pick up.Looking for black powder horns stock?
Check w/ slaughter houses
Check w/ slaughter houses
How much is a 1873 u.s.springfeild black powder gun worth?
* Go here for the Value.*....%26lt;%26gt; GunsInternational.com.....How much is a 1873 u.s.springfeild black powder gun worth?
It depends entirely on the condition that it is in. How much of the Original finish, if any, is still on the gun? Is there any cartouches on the stock? Is the bore/rifling in good shape? Is the ladder sight present and does it work? Are the accoutrement's (cleaning rod, bayonet, cartridge pouch) with the rifle. Honestly, the price could vary any where from a few hundred dollars to six or seven thousand.
This gun is refered to as the 1873 Springfield Trap Door .45-70.
I have one in relatively poor collector condition that I paid $800.00 for last year.How much is a 1873 u.s.springfeild black powder gun worth?
Ask gunbroker.com
Yep, they made these by the boatload. When I was a kid, you could buy them for less than $20.00
2 years ago, I saw one at an auction that was in 'not too bad' condition, fully shootable. Some nicks and scratches, 1/2 the blue gone, etc. Went for around $500.
Must have some historic significance to be worth anything, really. It's not George Custer's personal carbine is it? If so, I'd like to see it. Tell me where you live and when you'll be home. ;- )
It depends entirely on the condition that it is in. How much of the Original finish, if any, is still on the gun? Is there any cartouches on the stock? Is the bore/rifling in good shape? Is the ladder sight present and does it work? Are the accoutrement's (cleaning rod, bayonet, cartridge pouch) with the rifle. Honestly, the price could vary any where from a few hundred dollars to six or seven thousand.
This gun is refered to as the 1873 Springfield Trap Door .45-70.
I have one in relatively poor collector condition that I paid $800.00 for last year.How much is a 1873 u.s.springfeild black powder gun worth?
Ask gunbroker.com
Yep, they made these by the boatload. When I was a kid, you could buy them for less than $20.00
2 years ago, I saw one at an auction that was in 'not too bad' condition, fully shootable. Some nicks and scratches, 1/2 the blue gone, etc. Went for around $500.
Must have some historic significance to be worth anything, really. It's not George Custer's personal carbine is it? If so, I'd like to see it. Tell me where you live and when you'll be home. ;- )
What is A armi san. marco-gardone v.t (50 cal. black powder rifle) worth?
Value in good conditionWhat is A armi san. marco-gardone v.t (50 cal. black powder rifle) worth?
Armi san marco is a lesser known Italian Blackpowder firearms manufactuer. I have been an avid blackpowder shooter and collector for years. Armi San Marco quality is very inferior. They have been out of business for many years also. If the rifle is in excellent condition you would be lucky to get $100 out of if. Lots of distributors carried the Armi San Marco line, and some placed thier names on their firearms. Most discontinued doing this due to problems. Traditions was one of those and they even had a warranty / replacement policy for them but only did so for one year due to tremendous problems. I have had a couple black powder revolvers by them and really didnt have any problems. Unfortunately none of them in particular the rifles bring much money on resale unless you find a collector that collects the Armi San marco firearms. You would be better off parting it out and selling the individual parts on Ebay..Or just keep it and hang it above the fireplace, or have fun shooting it if is mechanically sound.What is A armi san. marco-gardone v.t (50 cal. black powder rifle) worth?
It sounds like one of those spanish or italian BP guns and with the exeception of Pedersoli , they are basicly crap...Pedersoli on the other hand is one of the finest BP weapons made in the world.
Armi san marco is a lesser known Italian Blackpowder firearms manufactuer. I have been an avid blackpowder shooter and collector for years. Armi San Marco quality is very inferior. They have been out of business for many years also. If the rifle is in excellent condition you would be lucky to get $100 out of if. Lots of distributors carried the Armi San Marco line, and some placed thier names on their firearms. Most discontinued doing this due to problems. Traditions was one of those and they even had a warranty / replacement policy for them but only did so for one year due to tremendous problems. I have had a couple black powder revolvers by them and really didnt have any problems. Unfortunately none of them in particular the rifles bring much money on resale unless you find a collector that collects the Armi San marco firearms. You would be better off parting it out and selling the individual parts on Ebay..Or just keep it and hang it above the fireplace, or have fun shooting it if is mechanically sound.What is A armi san. marco-gardone v.t (50 cal. black powder rifle) worth?
It sounds like one of those spanish or italian BP guns and with the exeception of Pedersoli , they are basicly crap...Pedersoli on the other hand is one of the finest BP weapons made in the world.
Black powder rifle shooting?
i loaded BP, into my 50 cal rifle and i get a low velocity and a lasting rocketlike flame out the barrel very simmilar to a model rocket motor, am i packing the powder into the chamber to hard? if not what can i do to correct this?Black powder rifle shooting?
Just a guess but maybe your bullet is too small for the barrel. You see when you use a round lead ball for a BP rifle you have to have a tight seal other wise the powder charge will burn past the ball loosing proper pressure due to improper powder burn. This is why a lubed patch is used. The patch is a piece of cloth even a cotton tee shirt can be cut into patches. You place the lubed patch over the muzzle place ball on patch and seat the ball slightly into the barrel than cut excess patch material off and ram ball/patch home with ram rod.
Care must be taken to use the proper amount of black powder and the right type, for rifles its FFg NOT FFFFg.
Sabot bullets have a plastic sabot that fits around the projectile for a tight fit in the barrel also.
So you have to find what combination of patch and ball or sabot and bullet to fit the bore tightly. Then when the patched ball or sabot is tightly fitted in the barrel all the way back against the powder charge you will have proper powder ignition and the right back pressure for the maximum velocity for that powder charge.
Also you have to work your loads up following manufacture recommended powder loads.
So you need; right size lead ball ammo, right size patches, sabots, powder measure, patch knife, cleaning rod and ram rod besides percussion caps and BP powder.
When all is done right you will feel the recoil of the rifle, a boom, flame and smoke, when shooting black powder.
NOTE; Most use FFg and not FFFG for rifles the less the numbers of F's the slower the burn rate. So FFFFg is fast and FFg is slow.
The links below explain all you should need to know.
PS; Ignore the thumbs down obviously some one likes to discredit good information. I have used BP guns for most of my 50+ years on earth and have hunted game with them all over America.Black powder rifle shooting?
I'm not sure what your doing, but just so you know, there is FFG powder, recommended for rifles and FFFG for pistols. If your putting FFG powder in the gun, then you can't do anything wrong. I've never pushed the sabot down to hard onto the powder, we'll call it snug for lack of the right term. Then, I mark my ramrod with a small line so to make sure I am loading the gun the same way every time. Also, the black powder market has found that it is not recommended shooting a 209 shotshell primer. Winchester and Federal Fusion both make a true muzzleloading primer now and those are recommended.
There is always a flame that comes out of the end of the barrel, we just never notice it because we don't see it during daylight. At night, is when we will see this, or unde darker situations.
If your putting to much powder in the gun, your just wasting powder, because some will not burn and you'll just have more of a mess to deal with.
That is blackpowder shooting...perfectly normal.
How many grains are you using and how long is the rifle barrel? Loose powder, 90 grains normally does well with most bullets. If you're using pellets, use the 100. 150 is just a waste of money (especially in a short barrel).
That will obvouisly determine how much fire shoots out the other side. But it's normal
As long as the bullet is all the way down, you're fine. You can't pack it in too hard (you can but all you'll do is mash the tip of bullet which can affect groups and performance when hunting.
Just be sure you get the bullet all the way down though
Take you ram rod and drop it down the loaded barrel. If it bounced, the bullet is fully seated. If it does not bounce, the bullet needs to be pushed father.
Intentionally seat the bullet half way in the barrel and drop the rod, then seat it all the way and drop the rod again --- you'll see what I mean.blushed
Just a guess but maybe your bullet is too small for the barrel. You see when you use a round lead ball for a BP rifle you have to have a tight seal other wise the powder charge will burn past the ball loosing proper pressure due to improper powder burn. This is why a lubed patch is used. The patch is a piece of cloth even a cotton tee shirt can be cut into patches. You place the lubed patch over the muzzle place ball on patch and seat the ball slightly into the barrel than cut excess patch material off and ram ball/patch home with ram rod.
Care must be taken to use the proper amount of black powder and the right type, for rifles its FFg NOT FFFFg.
Sabot bullets have a plastic sabot that fits around the projectile for a tight fit in the barrel also.
So you have to find what combination of patch and ball or sabot and bullet to fit the bore tightly. Then when the patched ball or sabot is tightly fitted in the barrel all the way back against the powder charge you will have proper powder ignition and the right back pressure for the maximum velocity for that powder charge.
Also you have to work your loads up following manufacture recommended powder loads.
So you need; right size lead ball ammo, right size patches, sabots, powder measure, patch knife, cleaning rod and ram rod besides percussion caps and BP powder.
When all is done right you will feel the recoil of the rifle, a boom, flame and smoke, when shooting black powder.
NOTE; Most use FFg and not FFFG for rifles the less the numbers of F's the slower the burn rate. So FFFFg is fast and FFg is slow.
The links below explain all you should need to know.
PS; Ignore the thumbs down obviously some one likes to discredit good information. I have used BP guns for most of my 50+ years on earth and have hunted game with them all over America.Black powder rifle shooting?
I'm not sure what your doing, but just so you know, there is FFG powder, recommended for rifles and FFFG for pistols. If your putting FFG powder in the gun, then you can't do anything wrong. I've never pushed the sabot down to hard onto the powder, we'll call it snug for lack of the right term. Then, I mark my ramrod with a small line so to make sure I am loading the gun the same way every time. Also, the black powder market has found that it is not recommended shooting a 209 shotshell primer. Winchester and Federal Fusion both make a true muzzleloading primer now and those are recommended.
There is always a flame that comes out of the end of the barrel, we just never notice it because we don't see it during daylight. At night, is when we will see this, or unde darker situations.
If your putting to much powder in the gun, your just wasting powder, because some will not burn and you'll just have more of a mess to deal with.
That is blackpowder shooting...perfectly normal.
How many grains are you using and how long is the rifle barrel? Loose powder, 90 grains normally does well with most bullets. If you're using pellets, use the 100. 150 is just a waste of money (especially in a short barrel).
That will obvouisly determine how much fire shoots out the other side. But it's normal
As long as the bullet is all the way down, you're fine. You can't pack it in too hard (you can but all you'll do is mash the tip of bullet which can affect groups and performance when hunting.
Just be sure you get the bullet all the way down though
Take you ram rod and drop it down the loaded barrel. If it bounced, the bullet is fully seated. If it does not bounce, the bullet needs to be pushed father.
Intentionally seat the bullet half way in the barrel and drop the rod, then seat it all the way and drop the rod again --- you'll see what I mean.
Black powder rifles in new york?
Are they aloud in ny state. I live in kingston nyBlack powder rifles in new york?
yes, and, you can buy a muzzle loader thru the mail.Black powder rifles in new york?
Where i hunt (zone 4n-4f) i am pretty sure you are aloud to. There are no official rules stating you are not allowed. There are certain zones that you cannot. you can pick up a magazine at any Wal-mart that shows the zones. The guns are usually considered muzzleloaders in some places.
yes, and, you can buy a muzzle loader thru the mail.Black powder rifles in new york?
Where i hunt (zone 4n-4f) i am pretty sure you are aloud to. There are no official rules stating you are not allowed. There are certain zones that you cannot. you can pick up a magazine at any Wal-mart that shows the zones. The guns are usually considered muzzleloaders in some places.
Black Powder load for a 357?
I have a 357 Mag Ruger Blackhawk and I want to shoot with a local black powder club so I was wondering if anyone knew what a safe load would be. I thought somewhere along the lines of a .38/40 as the case is round-about the same size. Volume wise it would be 25grs?
Cheers
OzBlack Powder load for a 357?
Soft lead (20-1 or softer) bullet, FFFg BP loaded by volume to where you get about 1/8'; compression when you seat the bullet.
You need a bullet with big lube grooves lubed with a good black powder lube like SPG, modern lubes do not work well with BP. Magnum primers should be used. this would be a full power BP load. For lighter loads you will need a filler as there should be no airspace in the cartridge.
Research your loads before starting, this is just for reference, I assume no responsibility for how you use this information .
Also research proper handling of black powder, using plastic and glass reloading equipment should not be used as they can cause a static charge (big no-no with Black Powder).
Black Powder cartridges are fun and they wont hurt your gun. Corrosion was caused more by old school corrosive primers than the actual Bp, but dont be lazy about cleaning your gun afterwards.It can actually be easier to clean the gun (than with smokeless powder) when you figure everything out. There is definitely a learning curve and some trial and error with BP.
For more info go here. ask alot of questions. If you dont feel safe dont do it.
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.p鈥?/a>
Note: on the 38-40, its actually a 40cal bullet and case volume is probably a bit more the the .357Black Powder load for a 357?
If you gotta do this look for cowboy action black powder .38 Special ammo. Clean your Ruger well afterwards.
NOTE (IMPORTANT): .38-40 ammo won't work in a .357 Magnum. The casing is of bottle neck design (unlike the straight wall .357 Mag.) and the actual bullet diamter is closer to .40 or .41 rather than .355 to .357 as in the .357 Magnum. It won't even work if you change the cylinder out from .357 Magnum to .38-40 because the bullet itself is too wide in the .38-40. I have the Ruger 'old' Vaquero in .38-40/.40 S%26amp;W, so just use the black powder .38 Special ammo NOT the blackpowder .38-40s.
Good luck.
H
Research SASS or CAS reload tables
I wasn't going to answer because I don't have the specific tables
But the above disinformation is too much to ignore
Shooting Black powder loads does not endanger the shooter or the gun
BP does require a different cleaning regimen but nothing too outlandish
There is no reason that a club would disallow this practice, if there is please share the link
Black Powder clubs are about shooting black powder not only cap and ball or muzzle loaders
I don't want to come down to hard on you two but i would try and gain a little more knowledge about black powder weapons and black powder in general
(Sir Bobby excluded)
You're better off just finding a smoke-less powder load around 700-800fps (as in .38 special) and using lead bullets. That way, you mimic the old black powder load, but with regular components and completely safe.
Using a light published load in a powder like Clays, Red Dot, or Winchester 231 will work just fine....no recoil and no BP cleaning.
Do you know just how much rust you will end up with on your ruger B/H
You are willing to ruin a 3 to 400 dollar gun just to try and shoot black powder.
Do your self a favor and go spend 150.00 and buy you a good black powder pistol.
Wouldn't ';black powder club'; mean loose powder and ball, with a percussion cap? I don't think you know exactly what that club is all about. Maybe you should call them and ask.
Are there S.A.S.S. rounds that meet this requirement ?
Don't try and load a modern pistol round with black powder it burns to slow. That's a no-no-no. If its a true black powder club they would not let you do that any way. Not to mention you would probably ruin that ruger blackhawk because black powder is much more corrosive than regular pistol or rifle powder.I don't want to come down to hard on you but i would try and gain a little more knowledge about black powder weapons before i go trying to reload the wrong thing. That's how accidents happen. Hope this has helped you and good luck.
Cheers
OzBlack Powder load for a 357?
Soft lead (20-1 or softer) bullet, FFFg BP loaded by volume to where you get about 1/8'; compression when you seat the bullet.
You need a bullet with big lube grooves lubed with a good black powder lube like SPG, modern lubes do not work well with BP. Magnum primers should be used. this would be a full power BP load. For lighter loads you will need a filler as there should be no airspace in the cartridge.
Research your loads before starting, this is just for reference, I assume no responsibility for how you use this information .
Also research proper handling of black powder, using plastic and glass reloading equipment should not be used as they can cause a static charge (big no-no with Black Powder).
Black Powder cartridges are fun and they wont hurt your gun. Corrosion was caused more by old school corrosive primers than the actual Bp, but dont be lazy about cleaning your gun afterwards.It can actually be easier to clean the gun (than with smokeless powder) when you figure everything out. There is definitely a learning curve and some trial and error with BP.
For more info go here. ask alot of questions. If you dont feel safe dont do it.
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.p鈥?/a>
Note: on the 38-40, its actually a 40cal bullet and case volume is probably a bit more the the .357Black Powder load for a 357?
If you gotta do this look for cowboy action black powder .38 Special ammo. Clean your Ruger well afterwards.
NOTE (IMPORTANT): .38-40 ammo won't work in a .357 Magnum. The casing is of bottle neck design (unlike the straight wall .357 Mag.) and the actual bullet diamter is closer to .40 or .41 rather than .355 to .357 as in the .357 Magnum. It won't even work if you change the cylinder out from .357 Magnum to .38-40 because the bullet itself is too wide in the .38-40. I have the Ruger 'old' Vaquero in .38-40/.40 S%26amp;W, so just use the black powder .38 Special ammo NOT the blackpowder .38-40s.
Good luck.
H
Research SASS or CAS reload tables
I wasn't going to answer because I don't have the specific tables
But the above disinformation is too much to ignore
Shooting Black powder loads does not endanger the shooter or the gun
BP does require a different cleaning regimen but nothing too outlandish
There is no reason that a club would disallow this practice, if there is please share the link
Black Powder clubs are about shooting black powder not only cap and ball or muzzle loaders
I don't want to come down to hard on you two but i would try and gain a little more knowledge about black powder weapons and black powder in general
(Sir Bobby excluded)
You're better off just finding a smoke-less powder load around 700-800fps (as in .38 special) and using lead bullets. That way, you mimic the old black powder load, but with regular components and completely safe.
Using a light published load in a powder like Clays, Red Dot, or Winchester 231 will work just fine....no recoil and no BP cleaning.
Do you know just how much rust you will end up with on your ruger B/H
You are willing to ruin a 3 to 400 dollar gun just to try and shoot black powder.
Do your self a favor and go spend 150.00 and buy you a good black powder pistol.
Wouldn't ';black powder club'; mean loose powder and ball, with a percussion cap? I don't think you know exactly what that club is all about. Maybe you should call them and ask.
Are there S.A.S.S. rounds that meet this requirement ?
Don't try and load a modern pistol round with black powder it burns to slow. That's a no-no-no. If its a true black powder club they would not let you do that any way. Not to mention you would probably ruin that ruger blackhawk because black powder is much more corrosive than regular pistol or rifle powder.I don't want to come down to hard on you but i would try and gain a little more knowledge about black powder weapons before i go trying to reload the wrong thing. That's how accidents happen. Hope this has helped you and good luck.
Black Powder in california?
is it legal to make homemade Black Poweder in california?Black Powder in california?
Nope, can't legally do it since the early 1970's.Black Powder in california?
What is black powder?
EDIT:Take it easy; I do not usually have people asking about gunpowder and cannons. This site has your IP BTW, just so you know. Frankly, your manner and your questions are troubling so I may need to get more information from you unless you refuse for whatever reason. You never did answer WHY you want a cannon...I think that may be important.
Nope, can't legally do it since the early 1970's.Black Powder in california?
What is black powder?
EDIT:Take it easy; I do not usually have people asking about gunpowder and cannons. This site has your IP BTW, just so you know. Frankly, your manner and your questions are troubling so I may need to get more information from you unless you refuse for whatever reason. You never did answer WHY you want a cannon...I think that may be important.
Black powder velocity?
I just bought a .36 caliber black powder pistol and I am trying to find the ballistics on it. I know that its hard to get an accurate ballistics chart built on one of these guns since so many factors can alter its over all effectiveness. I am just looking for an average fps on the ball. Any help would be great. Oh I also tried chronographing the gun, but until I get my loads down accurately I cant set the chronograph out far enough to get and accurate fps on the ball without shooting the machine. Any help would be great.Black powder velocity?
To measure velocity in fps, we would need to know bullet weight, powder charge, and barrel length, just to name a few things.
My suggestion to you is, get a Dixie Gunworks catalog, and they have the various velocities recorded on charts for different types of firearms, calibers, and powder charges. It's one of the best sources of information out there for black powder.
That would be my best answer for you.Black powder velocity?
I suggest you get your load down accurately first. What make is your revolver? Why are the ballistics necessary for you at this time...you just purchased the weapon for God's sake. Suggestion are to return to the gun shop where you bought it, ask about the fps on the gun, get referred to a range perhaps and do some measuring there with an expert. That's all I can suggest for now... unless you get some other professional advice.
Try www.hodgdon.com/pyrodex
You should be getting between 600 and 800 fps out of the gun. I am not all that familiar with this gun or powder but I think that, for this caliber, 22 grains of Pyrodex is a bit much.
To measure velocity in fps, we would need to know bullet weight, powder charge, and barrel length, just to name a few things.
My suggestion to you is, get a Dixie Gunworks catalog, and they have the various velocities recorded on charts for different types of firearms, calibers, and powder charges. It's one of the best sources of information out there for black powder.
That would be my best answer for you.Black powder velocity?
I suggest you get your load down accurately first. What make is your revolver? Why are the ballistics necessary for you at this time...you just purchased the weapon for God's sake. Suggestion are to return to the gun shop where you bought it, ask about the fps on the gun, get referred to a range perhaps and do some measuring there with an expert. That's all I can suggest for now... unless you get some other professional advice.
Try www.hodgdon.com/pyrodex
You should be getting between 600 and 800 fps out of the gun. I am not all that familiar with this gun or powder but I think that, for this caliber, 22 grains of Pyrodex is a bit much.
WHat is better for a rocket? (Black powder/kno3 and sugar)?
I and depating on making a model rocket with BlackPowder or the kno3-sugar mix wichone is stronger wichone burns longer wich one reaches higher distancesWHat is better for a rocket? (Black powder/kno3 and sugar)?
If you've never made a rocket before I suggest starting with Black Powder. While the KNO3 can make a better rocket propellant it is not nearly as forgiving as BP and it's much more diffiult to cast consistent fuel grains.WHat is better for a rocket? (Black powder/kno3 and sugar)?
KNO3/Sugar or Rocket Candy, like it is called, is far better than black powder. It has a more even combustion and higher specific impulse.
If you want even better efficiency, I think it was Sucrose or another sugar replacement which gives you a higher impulse.
If you've never made a rocket before I suggest starting with Black Powder. While the KNO3 can make a better rocket propellant it is not nearly as forgiving as BP and it's much more diffiult to cast consistent fuel grains.WHat is better for a rocket? (Black powder/kno3 and sugar)?
KNO3/Sugar or Rocket Candy, like it is called, is far better than black powder. It has a more even combustion and higher specific impulse.
If you want even better efficiency, I think it was Sucrose or another sugar replacement which gives you a higher impulse.
Help WIth Black Powder Rifle?
Hello,
I got a 50 cal. black powder long gun for Christmas. I have shot guns all my life but I have never owned a black powder. Does anyone know a good place to buy ammo / powder online . . also any websites that describe how to load / shoot it safely.
Thank you for all your help.Help WIth Black Powder Rifle?
Do yourself a HUGE favor and don't look online for any type of powder, smokeless or blackpowder. You will automatically be assessed a $20 hazardous materials surcharge on top of the shipping fee! Try to find a gun shop near you that handles powder or better yet a shop that is strictly blackpowder. Try Triple Seven powder or pellets or American Pioneer Powder (Shockey Gold is the premium version of this). Make sure you try the FFg version for the .50 caliber. Don't rely on any speedloader loaded to the top to be the correct load either. Mine will hold in excess of 150 grains of blackpowder. Hodgdon (Triple Seven) also states that you should never load more than two pellets in a magnum capable muzzleloader or more than 127 grains by volume of the loose powder. To duplicate a blackpowder load, Triple Seven must be reduced by 15%. I think even reduced by 15% the Triple Seven seems to kick harder. 100 grains of Triple Seven is equivalent to 120 grains of blackpowder. I called and talked to a Hodgdon rep myself when Triple Seven first came out. Try different sabots and powder combinations till you find what shoots the best. Follow directions for cleanup on the powder containers, or better yet, use T/C # 13 bore cleaner for easier cleanup. To test for accuracy, clean your bore between each shot and load as consistently as possible. I find that putting a mark on the ramrod helps to seat the bullet to the same level each time. Seat the sabots firmly on the powder.
I don't know how people think that Pyrodex is less corrosive than black powder. They are made up of the exact same chemical components, only in different ratios. Pyrodex is the least desirable powder to use in muzzleloaders fired by #10 or #11 caps due to the increased ignition point of Pyrodex. However, this becomes a non-issue when using 209 primers in an inline. Stick to 777 or APP.Help WIth Black Powder Rifle?
What kind of Black powder gun did u get? That will tell you how and what kind of load it will need! im me if you need to!
If you have shot guns all of your life than you must have friends that have Black -Powder rifles,Right ? Don't try to figure it out on your own. Have someone show you.
The manual should say what kind of pwder to use. I use Pyrodex RS, its the FFG evquivalent. I like to shoot a round ball, they are cheap and easy to load. Use about 100gr of powder. You will need a measure for this. Get some 'speed' loaders for a 50 cal. and they measure the powder for you, fit the patch and ball into the speed loader, and fill to the top with powder. I have a 'inline' and a side **** model.. good luck and have fun.
cabelas.com
They probably have some help files on there too.
try academy or cabela's
they have alot of b/p stuff.also most sporting good stores are beginning to cater to b/p.
enjoy the hunt!!
Buy your powder at a sporting goods store. Black powder is more explosive and gives less misfires than pyrodex but pyrodex is cleaner less corrsive. Allways clean it after shooting don't let it set it will rust real quick. Your manual will give you loading instructions but if you want more detailed shooting instructions I'd join a local gun club it will give you a place to shoot and help with your problem. Happy shootingblushed
I got a 50 cal. black powder long gun for Christmas. I have shot guns all my life but I have never owned a black powder. Does anyone know a good place to buy ammo / powder online . . also any websites that describe how to load / shoot it safely.
Thank you for all your help.Help WIth Black Powder Rifle?
Do yourself a HUGE favor and don't look online for any type of powder, smokeless or blackpowder. You will automatically be assessed a $20 hazardous materials surcharge on top of the shipping fee! Try to find a gun shop near you that handles powder or better yet a shop that is strictly blackpowder. Try Triple Seven powder or pellets or American Pioneer Powder (Shockey Gold is the premium version of this). Make sure you try the FFg version for the .50 caliber. Don't rely on any speedloader loaded to the top to be the correct load either. Mine will hold in excess of 150 grains of blackpowder. Hodgdon (Triple Seven) also states that you should never load more than two pellets in a magnum capable muzzleloader or more than 127 grains by volume of the loose powder. To duplicate a blackpowder load, Triple Seven must be reduced by 15%. I think even reduced by 15% the Triple Seven seems to kick harder. 100 grains of Triple Seven is equivalent to 120 grains of blackpowder. I called and talked to a Hodgdon rep myself when Triple Seven first came out. Try different sabots and powder combinations till you find what shoots the best. Follow directions for cleanup on the powder containers, or better yet, use T/C # 13 bore cleaner for easier cleanup. To test for accuracy, clean your bore between each shot and load as consistently as possible. I find that putting a mark on the ramrod helps to seat the bullet to the same level each time. Seat the sabots firmly on the powder.
I don't know how people think that Pyrodex is less corrosive than black powder. They are made up of the exact same chemical components, only in different ratios. Pyrodex is the least desirable powder to use in muzzleloaders fired by #10 or #11 caps due to the increased ignition point of Pyrodex. However, this becomes a non-issue when using 209 primers in an inline. Stick to 777 or APP.Help WIth Black Powder Rifle?
What kind of Black powder gun did u get? That will tell you how and what kind of load it will need! im me if you need to!
If you have shot guns all of your life than you must have friends that have Black -Powder rifles,Right ? Don't try to figure it out on your own. Have someone show you.
The manual should say what kind of pwder to use. I use Pyrodex RS, its the FFG evquivalent. I like to shoot a round ball, they are cheap and easy to load. Use about 100gr of powder. You will need a measure for this. Get some 'speed' loaders for a 50 cal. and they measure the powder for you, fit the patch and ball into the speed loader, and fill to the top with powder. I have a 'inline' and a side **** model.. good luck and have fun.
cabelas.com
They probably have some help files on there too.
try academy or cabela's
they have alot of b/p stuff.also most sporting good stores are beginning to cater to b/p.
enjoy the hunt!!
Buy your powder at a sporting goods store. Black powder is more explosive and gives less misfires than pyrodex but pyrodex is cleaner less corrsive. Allways clean it after shooting don't let it set it will rust real quick. Your manual will give you loading instructions but if you want more detailed shooting instructions I'd join a local gun club it will give you a place to shoot and help with your problem. Happy shooting
I bought a second hand F. lli Pietta 1851 colt 44 black powder revolver and was wondering if any one knows ?
anyone knows where i can download a manual for that modelI bought a second hand F. lli Pietta 1851 colt 44 black powder revolver and was wondering if any one knows ?
Hi
This gun is like any other Colt or clone. It will most likely interchange parts with a real Colt.
Here are some guidelines
http://www.civilwarguns.com/0111.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_1851_N鈥?/a>I bought a second hand F. lli Pietta 1851 colt 44 black powder revolver and was wondering if any one knows ?
jmw2787 got your answer
I just wanted to say you can use 451 or 454 balls --- doesn't matter because you're shaving the edge off regardless. The 451 is easier to load because you cut less, but there's nothing wrong with the 454.
Likewise, you need something to prevent chainfires. Using crisco or borebutter over the ball is one option. It is rather messy.
I think think the wonderwads are worth it not to have the aggrevation - especially in the summer when the grease melts.
Don't forget that you may need to pinch the caps in order to keep them on the nipple --- even number 10's. Caps falling from the nipple accounts for the vast magority of the chainfires.
Found a link to a PDF manual on Piettas website. It's not very detailed though.
http://www.pietta.us/products/Muzzleload鈥?/a>
Dont know where the manual is, but when you shoot it make sure of 2 things:
Use ONLY .451 pure lead balls
Cover the top of each loaded chamber with a coating of Thompson Center Bore Butter to prevent chain fire.
Instead of Crisco or Bore Butter (Ive used both) use bacon grease its more authentic plus it will smell great and make you want a BLT asap.
Hi
This gun is like any other Colt or clone. It will most likely interchange parts with a real Colt.
Here are some guidelines
http://www.civilwarguns.com/0111.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_1851_N鈥?/a>I bought a second hand F. lli Pietta 1851 colt 44 black powder revolver and was wondering if any one knows ?
jmw2787 got your answer
I just wanted to say you can use 451 or 454 balls --- doesn't matter because you're shaving the edge off regardless. The 451 is easier to load because you cut less, but there's nothing wrong with the 454.
Likewise, you need something to prevent chainfires. Using crisco or borebutter over the ball is one option. It is rather messy.
I think think the wonderwads are worth it not to have the aggrevation - especially in the summer when the grease melts.
Don't forget that you may need to pinch the caps in order to keep them on the nipple --- even number 10's. Caps falling from the nipple accounts for the vast magority of the chainfires.
Found a link to a PDF manual on Piettas website. It's not very detailed though.
http://www.pietta.us/products/Muzzleload鈥?/a>
Dont know where the manual is, but when you shoot it make sure of 2 things:
Use ONLY .451 pure lead balls
Cover the top of each loaded chamber with a coating of Thompson Center Bore Butter to prevent chain fire.
Instead of Crisco or Bore Butter (Ive used both) use bacon grease its more authentic plus it will smell great and make you want a BLT asap.
Mri black powder did nothing to me, anyone else try it?
i took one serving..did nothing at all...idc it was free and i got 20 servings so yeah
how about u if youve takin it?Mri black powder did nothing to me, anyone else try it?
its garbage, good thing you didnt pay for it.
oral arginine supps don't improve pump/vascularity. you need an insane intravenous dose to do that. Second, caffeine and glutamine degrade creatine absorption. finally, caffeine loses its affects quickly after repeated use
worthless supplement is worthlessMri black powder did nothing to me, anyone else try it?
dude you shouldnt be drinking it if your younger than 18.
how about u if youve takin it?Mri black powder did nothing to me, anyone else try it?
its garbage, good thing you didnt pay for it.
oral arginine supps don't improve pump/vascularity. you need an insane intravenous dose to do that. Second, caffeine and glutamine degrade creatine absorption. finally, caffeine loses its affects quickly after repeated use
worthless supplement is worthlessMri black powder did nothing to me, anyone else try it?
dude you shouldnt be drinking it if your younger than 18.
Black powder questions?
can you make black powder with activated charcoal?
can you make black powder with sublimed sulfur?
how sensitive is black powder to pressure and friction?Black powder questions?
Yes, yes and not very unless friction is enough to generate sufficient heat to ignite. Black powder can be ground in pestle %26amp; mortor or in a ball mill to make into a fine powder.
can you make black powder with sublimed sulfur?
how sensitive is black powder to pressure and friction?Black powder questions?
Yes, yes and not very unless friction is enough to generate sufficient heat to ignite. Black powder can be ground in pestle %26amp; mortor or in a ball mill to make into a fine powder.
How to make black powder?
Im wonderin what is the best way to make black powderHow to make black powder?
I won't tell you. I did that as a kid. But i am not sure what you intent is and I can't take the chance of being an accessory.
The info is readily available online anyway.How to make black powder?
Ckng, if he added black food coloring then obviously it wouldn't be a powder anymore, now would it?
Just try taking charcoal or asphalt and grinding it up.
take a good quantity of white powder and add plenty of black food coloring and viola' black powder!
I won't tell you. I did that as a kid. But i am not sure what you intent is and I can't take the chance of being an accessory.
The info is readily available online anyway.How to make black powder?
Ckng, if he added black food coloring then obviously it wouldn't be a powder anymore, now would it?
Just try taking charcoal or asphalt and grinding it up.
take a good quantity of white powder and add plenty of black food coloring and viola' black powder!
Do dick's sporting goods sell black powder?
No they sell a black powder substiute. It's called pyrodex. It's made by Hodgon and comes in either granular or pellet form. Hodgon also make Triple 7 an improved form of pyrodex. It too is avalable in Granular and pellet. Triple 7 is said to be easier to clean up than Blackpowder or pyrodex. Do dick's sporting goods sell black powder?
Very few places carry real black powder nowadays. Mostly because of the laws regarding storage and insurance costs for having it at a business.
The last time I bought black powder from an actual store was at Dixie Gun Works when I was in Union City Tennessee. I usually order mine from powderinc.com. It is pretty reasonable and they have a wide variety. You will have to order 5 pounds but can mix the granulation's if you want. I bought some this year and the cost delivered was about $20.00 per pound. I have also bought modern smokeless powder from stores that cost almost as much.
I prefer the real deal but unless you live near a store that specializes in it, you will likely have to order on line or by mail. They will require an adult signature on delivery so someone will have to be there to accept the order.Do dick's sporting goods sell black powder?
Yes. The last time I was there (last year) my local store had Thompson Center, Knight and CVA muzzle loaders as well as powder. For powders they had Triple Seven (kinda black powder like) and pyrodex (black powder substitute).
Dick's around Ill, and Iowa all carry Blcak Powder rifles and accessories.
I would look online also, last time I was there, they were priced very high on most
~JRB
Very few places carry real black powder nowadays. Mostly because of the laws regarding storage and insurance costs for having it at a business.
The last time I bought black powder from an actual store was at Dixie Gun Works when I was in Union City Tennessee. I usually order mine from powderinc.com. It is pretty reasonable and they have a wide variety. You will have to order 5 pounds but can mix the granulation's if you want. I bought some this year and the cost delivered was about $20.00 per pound. I have also bought modern smokeless powder from stores that cost almost as much.
I prefer the real deal but unless you live near a store that specializes in it, you will likely have to order on line or by mail. They will require an adult signature on delivery so someone will have to be there to accept the order.Do dick's sporting goods sell black powder?
Yes. The last time I was there (last year) my local store had Thompson Center, Knight and CVA muzzle loaders as well as powder. For powders they had Triple Seven (kinda black powder like) and pyrodex (black powder substitute).
Dick's around Ill, and Iowa all carry Blcak Powder rifles and accessories.
I would look online also, last time I was there, they were priced very high on most
~JRB
Any one know of a good black powder decapping tool??
universal caliber...links are good!!!Any one know of a good black powder decapping tool??
This would really depend on what kind of press you have- if you have one. Short of knowing that, do a search for ';decapping'; or ';decapping die'; at this site.
http://www.midwayusa.com
They will very literally have everything you could ever want or imagine for reloading and shooting. You will definitely find one there.Any one know of a good black powder decapping tool??
Decapping a black powder cartridge round is no different that decapping a smokeless round
Decapping a cap and ball gun involves a tool as simple as a toothpick or small pocket knifeblushed
This would really depend on what kind of press you have- if you have one. Short of knowing that, do a search for ';decapping'; or ';decapping die'; at this site.
http://www.midwayusa.com
They will very literally have everything you could ever want or imagine for reloading and shooting. You will definitely find one there.Any one know of a good black powder decapping tool??
Decapping a black powder cartridge round is no different that decapping a smokeless round
Decapping a cap and ball gun involves a tool as simple as a toothpick or small pocket knife
I have an antique spanish black powder rifle and can't identify it.?
the only markings are';spain,0000020 jakar';I have an antique spanish black powder rifle and can't identify it.?
It's Jukar, not Jakar. They make very decent reproduction guns....so yours is a modern repro. They were often sold in kit form.
They're fine guns in their own regard but not collectible so very few folks over here in the US really get into that sort of weapon. Muzzleloader folks shoot them. That says a lot. They're fine shooters more than wall hangers.
Have you considered getting into muzzleloading?
It's Jukar, not Jakar. They make very decent reproduction guns....so yours is a modern repro. They were often sold in kit form.
They're fine guns in their own regard but not collectible so very few folks over here in the US really get into that sort of weapon. Muzzleloader folks shoot them. That says a lot. They're fine shooters more than wall hangers.
Have you considered getting into muzzleloading?
Black powder and flash Powder how to get em or make em.?
yeah basically tittle says it all its for a small project im working on to see if i can make a mini smoke bomb can anyone help??Black powder and flash Powder how to get em or make em.?
You don't need either black powder and especially not flash powder to make a smoke bomb. You just need Potassium Nitrate and Sugar. Sounds like your trying to make firecrackers or M80's which I would advice you not to do.
I've seen too many people accused of being terrorists for having even small amounts of ';explosive making materials.';Black powder and flash Powder how to get em or make em.?
Go to a gun store that sells shell reloading supplies. I know what is in black powder but I am not going to put that information on here.
Black Powder:
Equal parts crushed carbon (charcoal), sulfer, and saltpeter.
You don't need either black powder and especially not flash powder to make a smoke bomb. You just need Potassium Nitrate and Sugar. Sounds like your trying to make firecrackers or M80's which I would advice you not to do.
I've seen too many people accused of being terrorists for having even small amounts of ';explosive making materials.';Black powder and flash Powder how to get em or make em.?
Go to a gun store that sells shell reloading supplies. I know what is in black powder but I am not going to put that information on here.
Black Powder:
Equal parts crushed carbon (charcoal), sulfer, and saltpeter.
Do black powder revolver have balistics?
* Yes *Do black powder revolver have balistics?
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/resource/鈥?/a>
here's some for you. . .
http://www.powderinc.com/catalog/ballist鈥?/a>
These are for handguns.Do black powder revolver have balistics?
http://pages.sssnet.com/go2erie/muzzle.h鈥?/a>
ballistics is the measurement of how a projectile moves through the air and the force gravity upon that projectile..
from a bow and arrow to a giant cannon can be measured with ballistics.
so it's the bullet/projectile that being measured with ballistics, not the gun, bow or cannon.
Every gun has some sort of ballistics.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/resource/鈥?/a>
here's some for you. . .
http://www.powderinc.com/catalog/ballist鈥?/a>
These are for handguns.Do black powder revolver have balistics?
http://pages.sssnet.com/go2erie/muzzle.h鈥?/a>
ballistics is the measurement of how a projectile moves through the air and the force gravity upon that projectile..
from a bow and arrow to a giant cannon can be measured with ballistics.
so it's the bullet/projectile that being measured with ballistics, not the gun, bow or cannon.
Every gun has some sort of ballistics.
For powder room we bought black sink cabinet with green glass vessel sink can we still use a white toilet?
we have a green slate type tile floorFor powder room we bought black sink cabinet with green glass vessel sink can we still use a white toilet?
Of course, and green, purple or any other color will allow you to do your business as well : ) Seriously, the green may be very difficult to match in which case you may want to stick with white.For powder room we bought black sink cabinet with green glass vessel sink can we still use a white toilet?
I think a black one would look better.
when no one is looking
Of course, and green, purple or any other color will allow you to do your business as well : ) Seriously, the green may be very difficult to match in which case you may want to stick with white.For powder room we bought black sink cabinet with green glass vessel sink can we still use a white toilet?
I think a black one would look better.
when no one is looking
I have an old pistol which uses black powder and .350 ball shot. can i fire modern bullets with it? and what 1
www.goexpowder.com and .350 balls is what my pistol fires. what is the modern equivelent to these? and where can i buy in the UK or online. pls say how you know aswell - i like qualified answers - (have u done this b4)? (do u work in a gun shop)?I have an old pistol which uses black powder and .350 ball shot. can i fire modern bullets with it? and what 1
It is not possible to fire cartridges from your gun with the present cylinder. However, some pistols had conversion cylinders made for them. Since I don't know what brand gun you have, I cannot tell you if a conversion cylinder is available for it. If one is, they are rather expensive and will cost you nearly as much as the pistol did. Here are some places that may have a conversion cylinder for your pistol: www.midwayusa.com, www.midsouthshooterssupply.com, www.dixiegunworks.com. Take a look at each of these sites and see if a conversion cylinder is available for you pistol.I have an old pistol which uses black powder and .350 ball shot. can i fire modern bullets with it? and what 1
Depending on the condition of the weapon I think it safe to use the modern powder and shot. Without extensive modifications (complete re-build) the use of modern 35 caliber cartridges are not going to work in a black powder weapon. Black powder firearms do not load the same way as do other firearms. With black powder, one loads down the barrel or cylinder the powder load, wad then bullet tamping all this firmly in place then put the percussion cap in place, aim and fire. If you don't have a percussion cap nipple then a small charge of powder is spilled off into a little hole that is lit off by the flint being held in place by a small clamp looking thing which is struck to the frizzen when the trigger is squeezed causing a spark to ignite the powder in the primer pan which in turn ignites the powder in the weapons breach sending the bullet (ball) down range. To answer the rest of your question please consult your local laws and one of your local arms dealers.
Stick with blackpowder or one of the blackpowder substitutes. If you experiment with smokeless powder, you will probably end up with metal in your face and an injured hand, IF YOU ARE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LUCKY. If you are unlucky, you could end up dead, or even worse standing over the body of someone who was standing nearby.
I'm not a Briton so I've no idea where you can buy powder in the UK.
Doc
No, you can't and should never try to shoot modern bullets with it. Each type of gun has different ullets for a reason. For example, if you put the wrong sized ullet into a gun, it could very well get stuck and cause serious damage and harm to both the firearm and you. Please go and talk to somwone who speacializes in this type of gun so you can learn the hazards of it and how to use it.
OK from what it sounds like is u have a flint lock or percussion lock pistol. It is impossible to shot a modern cartridge in that gun. The gun does not have a firing pin used to hit the primer in a modern cartridge. If you put a modern cartridge in that gun and fired nothing (most likely) would happen. So to answer your question no you couldn't, but shooting mussel loaders is very fun!
you can get black powder substitute, but you will always need to manually put in the powder, bullet, and place the primer
thing is, if your gun is genuine and not a modern replica, it is quite valuable, so just sell it and buy something more modern if that is more to your tastes.
It will be so old and decrepit that it will probably explode and blow your arm off. If you use modern power it will do.
Get a bullet mould from an arms antique shop and melt yourself some lead balls as they do in a foundry and use only black powder. You ';might'; be safe then.
You cannot shoot modern bullets with an old powder %26amp; ball pistol. Why would you want to? That's a piece of history.
Wouldn't advise
No.!!!
Needs to be Modified.!!!
NO! NO! NO!
Right on, CIH! The rest of you, bleh!
lol
using this needs a police licence and will not work with bullets only shot and powder it was made for.
this sounds very old and also dangerous as its likely to explode as so old. keep it as a ornament but make sure its rendered unusable or fully licenced.
Tie it to something, place a cable around the trigger, get back a few feet behind a tree trunk and pull.
It is not possible to fire cartridges from your gun with the present cylinder. However, some pistols had conversion cylinders made for them. Since I don't know what brand gun you have, I cannot tell you if a conversion cylinder is available for it. If one is, they are rather expensive and will cost you nearly as much as the pistol did. Here are some places that may have a conversion cylinder for your pistol: www.midwayusa.com, www.midsouthshooterssupply.com, www.dixiegunworks.com. Take a look at each of these sites and see if a conversion cylinder is available for you pistol.I have an old pistol which uses black powder and .350 ball shot. can i fire modern bullets with it? and what 1
Depending on the condition of the weapon I think it safe to use the modern powder and shot. Without extensive modifications (complete re-build) the use of modern 35 caliber cartridges are not going to work in a black powder weapon. Black powder firearms do not load the same way as do other firearms. With black powder, one loads down the barrel or cylinder the powder load, wad then bullet tamping all this firmly in place then put the percussion cap in place, aim and fire. If you don't have a percussion cap nipple then a small charge of powder is spilled off into a little hole that is lit off by the flint being held in place by a small clamp looking thing which is struck to the frizzen when the trigger is squeezed causing a spark to ignite the powder in the primer pan which in turn ignites the powder in the weapons breach sending the bullet (ball) down range. To answer the rest of your question please consult your local laws and one of your local arms dealers.
Stick with blackpowder or one of the blackpowder substitutes. If you experiment with smokeless powder, you will probably end up with metal in your face and an injured hand, IF YOU ARE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LUCKY. If you are unlucky, you could end up dead, or even worse standing over the body of someone who was standing nearby.
I'm not a Briton so I've no idea where you can buy powder in the UK.
Doc
No, you can't and should never try to shoot modern bullets with it. Each type of gun has different ullets for a reason. For example, if you put the wrong sized ullet into a gun, it could very well get stuck and cause serious damage and harm to both the firearm and you. Please go and talk to somwone who speacializes in this type of gun so you can learn the hazards of it and how to use it.
OK from what it sounds like is u have a flint lock or percussion lock pistol. It is impossible to shot a modern cartridge in that gun. The gun does not have a firing pin used to hit the primer in a modern cartridge. If you put a modern cartridge in that gun and fired nothing (most likely) would happen. So to answer your question no you couldn't, but shooting mussel loaders is very fun!
you can get black powder substitute, but you will always need to manually put in the powder, bullet, and place the primer
thing is, if your gun is genuine and not a modern replica, it is quite valuable, so just sell it and buy something more modern if that is more to your tastes.
It will be so old and decrepit that it will probably explode and blow your arm off. If you use modern power it will do.
Get a bullet mould from an arms antique shop and melt yourself some lead balls as they do in a foundry and use only black powder. You ';might'; be safe then.
You cannot shoot modern bullets with an old powder %26amp; ball pistol. Why would you want to? That's a piece of history.
Wouldn't advise
No.!!!
Needs to be Modified.!!!
NO! NO! NO!
Right on, CIH! The rest of you, bleh!
lol
using this needs a police licence and will not work with bullets only shot and powder it was made for.
this sounds very old and also dangerous as its likely to explode as so old. keep it as a ornament but make sure its rendered unusable or fully licenced.
Tie it to something, place a cable around the trigger, get back a few feet behind a tree trunk and pull.
Can i use a shotgun during black powder season?
during deer hunting seasonCan i use a shotgun during black powder season?
I believe you mean muzzle loader season, the type of powder doesn't matter. To answer your question, yes you can, it must be a muzzle loading shot gun loaded with a single projectile.Can i use a shotgun during black powder season?
In Illinois, you can use a black powder rifle during shotgun slug season or you can use the black powder rifle during the '; black powder only'; season.
I usually take my BP rifle first shotgun season and take the shotgun on the second shotgun season.
There is a black powder only season but I have never hunted it since they allow it during shotgun season also. Has to be a slug though in the shotgun.
Not in most states. (Unless you're using an old black powder muzzle loading shotgun)
No modern firearms can be used during that season.
In my home state, you can't even carry a modern handgun for personal protection while in the field hunting during black powder season.
Your state's hunting regulations will tell you for certain if it's permitted or not.
That depends on whether your state permits shotguns for deer.
IF they do, AND you use a BP shotgun then yes.
Some states require a rifle, some require a shotgun, some you can use either.
IF rifle permitted why not use a BP rifle? MUCH greater range than ANY shotgun.
Laws vary from state to state. If it is ';black powder'; season it is unlikely conventional shotguns are permitted. Contact your local DNR for more information or pick up a hunting license rule book at just about any sporting goods store.blushed
I believe you mean muzzle loader season, the type of powder doesn't matter. To answer your question, yes you can, it must be a muzzle loading shot gun loaded with a single projectile.Can i use a shotgun during black powder season?
In Illinois, you can use a black powder rifle during shotgun slug season or you can use the black powder rifle during the '; black powder only'; season.
I usually take my BP rifle first shotgun season and take the shotgun on the second shotgun season.
There is a black powder only season but I have never hunted it since they allow it during shotgun season also. Has to be a slug though in the shotgun.
Not in most states. (Unless you're using an old black powder muzzle loading shotgun)
No modern firearms can be used during that season.
In my home state, you can't even carry a modern handgun for personal protection while in the field hunting during black powder season.
Your state's hunting regulations will tell you for certain if it's permitted or not.
That depends on whether your state permits shotguns for deer.
IF they do, AND you use a BP shotgun then yes.
Some states require a rifle, some require a shotgun, some you can use either.
IF rifle permitted why not use a BP rifle? MUCH greater range than ANY shotgun.
Laws vary from state to state. If it is ';black powder'; season it is unlikely conventional shotguns are permitted. Contact your local DNR for more information or pick up a hunting license rule book at just about any sporting goods store.
What is black powder?
Black powder is a type of gunpowder invented in the 9th century and was practically the only known propellant and explosive until the middle of the 19th century. It has been superseded by more efficient explosives such as smokeless powders and TNT. It is still manufactured today but primarily for use in fireworks, model rocket engines, and reproductions of muzzleloading weapons
Black powder consists of the granular ingredients sulphur (S), charcoal (provides carbon to the reaction) and saltpetre (saltpetre, potassium nitrate, KNO3; provides oxygen to the reaction).
A simple, commonly cited, chemical equation for the combustion of black powder is:
2 KNO3 + S + 3C 鈫?K2S + N2 + 3CO2
A more accurate, but still simplified[1], equation is
10 KNO3 + 3S + 8C 鈫?2K2CO3 + 3K2SO4 + 6 CO2 + 5N2
The optimum proportions for gunpowder are: 74.64% saltpetre, 13.51% charcoal, and 11.85% sulfur (by mass). The current standard for black powder manufactured by pyrotechnicians today is 75% potassium nitrate, 15% softwood charcoal and 10% sulfur.What is black powder?
A very explosive smoke gun powder that doesn't burn as quickly as modern smokeless powder.What is black powder?
Gunpowder. the untainted form of it.
A mixture of charcoal, sulpher and salt peter.
an explosive consisting of a compound of potassium nitrate, sulfur and charcoal
Black Powder is the mainstay of Pyrotechnics. At a basic level it is the mixture of potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulphur. However, simply mixing these ingredients together will not produce proper black powder. It merely produces a much milder version, which itself is used extensively in pyrotechnics, and is commonly called meal powder. ...
Black powder is a type of gunpowder invented in the 9th century and was practically the only known propellant and explosive until the middle of the 19th century. It has been superseded by more efficient explosives such as smokeless powders and TNT. It is still manufactured today but primarily for use in fireworks, model rocket engines, and reproductions of muzzleloading weapons
Black powder consists of the granular ingredients sulphur (S), charcoal (provides carbon to the reaction) and saltpetre (saltpetre, potassium nitrate, KNO3; provides oxygen to the reaction).
A simple, commonly cited, chemical equation for the combustion of black powder is:
2 KNO3 + S + 3C 鈫?K2S + N2 + 3CO2
A more accurate, but still simplified[1], equation is
10 KNO3 + 3S + 8C 鈫?2K2CO3 + 3K2SO4 + 6 CO2 + 5N2
The optimum proportions for gunpowder are: 74.64% saltpetre, 13.51% charcoal, and 11.85% sulfur (by mass). The current standard for black powder manufactured by pyrotechnicians today is 75% potassium nitrate, 15% softwood charcoal and 10% sulfur.What is black powder?
A very explosive smoke gun powder that doesn't burn as quickly as modern smokeless powder.What is black powder?
Gunpowder. the untainted form of it.
A mixture of charcoal, sulpher and salt peter.
an explosive consisting of a compound of potassium nitrate, sulfur and charcoal
Black Powder is the mainstay of Pyrotechnics. At a basic level it is the mixture of potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulphur. However, simply mixing these ingredients together will not produce proper black powder. It merely produces a much milder version, which itself is used extensively in pyrotechnics, and is commonly called meal powder. ...
Black powder is a type of gunpowder invented in the 9th century and was practically the only known propellant and explosive until the middle of the 19th century. It has been superseded by more efficient explosives such as smokeless powders and TNT. It is still manufactured today but primarily for use in fireworks, model rocket engines, and reproductions of muzzleloading weapons
What are ';black powder'; guns?
How do they differ from a normal shotgun or rifle? What are ';black powder'; guns?
'black powder' is an older type of gunpowder used back in the 1700s and 1800s. It makes a big cloud of smoke when you shoot, that is why modern gunpowder is called 'smokeless powder'
Technically, anything loaded with 'black powder' is a black powder gun, so it could be the same as any 'normal' shotgun or rifle.
However, when most people say 'black powder' they are referring to the guns designed in the era when black powder was the only choice. For the most part, this means muzzle loading guns, like muskets. You know, pour a handful of gunpowder down the barrel, insert a lead ball, and push the whole thing down with a long stick, prime it, **** it, aim and FIRE, now tip it back up, pour down more powder, stick the bullet down the barrel, ram it down with a long stick, prime it, **** it and FIRE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ELnCF37K鈥?/a> that is a 'modern' black powder muzzle loader
now compare that to this guy with is civil war era gun, from the 1850's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXU0Vbgv9鈥?/a>
and this guy using a flint lock (different priming system) like used in our Revolutionary war, so think 1750's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho-QCmnNM鈥?/a>
and this guy with his old matchlock, from about 1600
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA0GvAEod鈥?/a>
As I said, original Black Powder made a lot of smoke (unlike smokeless powder) and it was also very dirty and gritty, very sensitive to moisture, and very sensitive to a 'static shock' (like you get form rubbing your feet on the carpet) setting it off.
So most guys who fire 'black powder' guns today actually use 'imitiation black powder' which is really modern smokeless powder plus some other additives to imitate the performance of black powder(as regular modern smokeless powder would create too high of pressures and blow apart most muskets)
What are ';black powder'; guns?
Black powder weapons are usually defined as those made or based on designs from before smokeless powder. 1871 I think is the most common cutoff.
Black powder was not as efficient as smokeless powder which means you don't get anywhere near the muzzle velocity as you do with a smokeless powder gun.
Black powder also is used to term weapons that predate cartridges. That means muzzle loaders and cap and ball pistols instead of the shells you use in guns today. There were lever action black power weapons but today it would be hard to find such.
They differ primarily in how they are loaded which because of the lack of a cartridge means they are more difficult and time consuming to load and the type of powder. Today they make smokeless black powder which means you don't have all the smoke you did from firing a black powder weapon but you still don't have to same kinds of pressure. This means black powder weapons have less range and less punch per grain. Doesn't mean you can't find a blackpowder weapon with decent range. The Sharpes rifles had decent range on them. Just means you need a whole lot more gunpowder to get the same range as you would with a smokeless.
Most black powder weapons made are muzzle loaders. The old muskets for example or the type pirates carried.
Not to be captain obvious, but ';black powder'; guns are guns that are designed to use black powder (or modern black powder substitutes) instead of smokeless powder. They can be cartridge guns (in any action) or muzzle loaders.
Generally when hunters talk about black powder they're referring to the muzzle-loading black powder rifles or shotguns (which can be flintlock, cap and ball, or inline ignition) that are used during the special ';primitive weapons'; or muzzle-loader seasons. However cowboy-action shooters may very well be referring to cartridge guns originally designed to shoot black powder.
As far as differences, the only real differences I can think of are that they burn black-powder instead of modern nitrocellulose based powders and they may be designed to handle lower pressures since black powder tends to burn cooler and quicker than modern rifle powders.
G'day Orio,
There is another important difference between black powder guns and smokeless powder types. Black powder is made from charcoal, saltpetre and sulphur, whereas more modern powders are based on nitrocellulose
That difference lies in the chemical reaction that occurs. If you get some black powder and some smokless powder, and ignite them, you will see a large difference in the way they burn. The black powder will burn very quickly and the smokeless will burn much more slowly.
The black powder is effectively an explosion, and it means that the breech of an old gun is subjected to a VERY rapid increase in pressure. To cope, breech pressures are lower and ballistics are lower. Also, there was always the risk that ramming the charge into the muzzle could detonate the charge, causing the ramrod to be fired, usually skewering the person holding the ramrod.
Cheers, john
Black powder guns are those designed to use only black powder. They not only include muzzle loaders, but a lot of modern firearms. The Colt Peacemaker was a black powder firearm until 1921. So many shotguns were loaded with black powder the loads are still listed in drams equivalent.
Normally black powder arms are not as powerful as smokeless weapons of the same caliber. Not always true though as the afore- mentioned Colt .45 had the same power with smokeless powder.
black powder guns are mostly muzzle loaders but it means the you put the powder down the barrel instead of having it in the bullet
'black powder' is an older type of gunpowder used back in the 1700s and 1800s. It makes a big cloud of smoke when you shoot, that is why modern gunpowder is called 'smokeless powder'
Technically, anything loaded with 'black powder' is a black powder gun, so it could be the same as any 'normal' shotgun or rifle.
However, when most people say 'black powder' they are referring to the guns designed in the era when black powder was the only choice. For the most part, this means muzzle loading guns, like muskets. You know, pour a handful of gunpowder down the barrel, insert a lead ball, and push the whole thing down with a long stick, prime it, **** it, aim and FIRE, now tip it back up, pour down more powder, stick the bullet down the barrel, ram it down with a long stick, prime it, **** it and FIRE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ELnCF37K鈥?/a> that is a 'modern' black powder muzzle loader
now compare that to this guy with is civil war era gun, from the 1850's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXU0Vbgv9鈥?/a>
and this guy using a flint lock (different priming system) like used in our Revolutionary war, so think 1750's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho-QCmnNM鈥?/a>
and this guy with his old matchlock, from about 1600
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA0GvAEod鈥?/a>
As I said, original Black Powder made a lot of smoke (unlike smokeless powder) and it was also very dirty and gritty, very sensitive to moisture, and very sensitive to a 'static shock' (like you get form rubbing your feet on the carpet) setting it off.
So most guys who fire 'black powder' guns today actually use 'imitiation black powder' which is really modern smokeless powder plus some other additives to imitate the performance of black powder(as regular modern smokeless powder would create too high of pressures and blow apart most muskets)
What are ';black powder'; guns?
Black powder weapons are usually defined as those made or based on designs from before smokeless powder. 1871 I think is the most common cutoff.
Black powder was not as efficient as smokeless powder which means you don't get anywhere near the muzzle velocity as you do with a smokeless powder gun.
Black powder also is used to term weapons that predate cartridges. That means muzzle loaders and cap and ball pistols instead of the shells you use in guns today. There were lever action black power weapons but today it would be hard to find such.
They differ primarily in how they are loaded which because of the lack of a cartridge means they are more difficult and time consuming to load and the type of powder. Today they make smokeless black powder which means you don't have all the smoke you did from firing a black powder weapon but you still don't have to same kinds of pressure. This means black powder weapons have less range and less punch per grain. Doesn't mean you can't find a blackpowder weapon with decent range. The Sharpes rifles had decent range on them. Just means you need a whole lot more gunpowder to get the same range as you would with a smokeless.
Most black powder weapons made are muzzle loaders. The old muskets for example or the type pirates carried.
Not to be captain obvious, but ';black powder'; guns are guns that are designed to use black powder (or modern black powder substitutes) instead of smokeless powder. They can be cartridge guns (in any action) or muzzle loaders.
Generally when hunters talk about black powder they're referring to the muzzle-loading black powder rifles or shotguns (which can be flintlock, cap and ball, or inline ignition) that are used during the special ';primitive weapons'; or muzzle-loader seasons. However cowboy-action shooters may very well be referring to cartridge guns originally designed to shoot black powder.
As far as differences, the only real differences I can think of are that they burn black-powder instead of modern nitrocellulose based powders and they may be designed to handle lower pressures since black powder tends to burn cooler and quicker than modern rifle powders.
G'day Orio,
There is another important difference between black powder guns and smokeless powder types. Black powder is made from charcoal, saltpetre and sulphur, whereas more modern powders are based on nitrocellulose
That difference lies in the chemical reaction that occurs. If you get some black powder and some smokless powder, and ignite them, you will see a large difference in the way they burn. The black powder will burn very quickly and the smokeless will burn much more slowly.
The black powder is effectively an explosion, and it means that the breech of an old gun is subjected to a VERY rapid increase in pressure. To cope, breech pressures are lower and ballistics are lower. Also, there was always the risk that ramming the charge into the muzzle could detonate the charge, causing the ramrod to be fired, usually skewering the person holding the ramrod.
Cheers, john
Black powder guns are those designed to use only black powder. They not only include muzzle loaders, but a lot of modern firearms. The Colt Peacemaker was a black powder firearm until 1921. So many shotguns were loaded with black powder the loads are still listed in drams equivalent.
Normally black powder arms are not as powerful as smokeless weapons of the same caliber. Not always true though as the afore- mentioned Colt .45 had the same power with smokeless powder.
black powder guns are mostly muzzle loaders but it means the you put the powder down the barrel instead of having it in the bullet
Saturday, August 21, 2010
I have a octogon barrel armsport model 5201 black powder what is it worth .how old is it?
It's a modern made replica of probably a mid-1800s Sharps rifle.
It's not made by Armsport Inc., they are the importer. They mostly import Italian made black powder and shotguns and some Turkish made rifles.
I was able to find little about Armsport other than their address and phone number and nothing about the particular model number you have. Try some additional web searches or call them and ask where on the web are their products shown.
Pressed to make a wild guess on value, I'd say $200 to $400 depending on what kind of arm it replicates and mostly on condition, accessories, original box, etc.
Armsport, Inc.
3590 NW 49th St., Miami, FL 33142
(305) 635-7850 FAX: (305) 633-2877
It's not made by Armsport Inc., they are the importer. They mostly import Italian made black powder and shotguns and some Turkish made rifles.
I was able to find little about Armsport other than their address and phone number and nothing about the particular model number you have. Try some additional web searches or call them and ask where on the web are their products shown.
Pressed to make a wild guess on value, I'd say $200 to $400 depending on what kind of arm it replicates and mostly on condition, accessories, original box, etc.
Armsport, Inc.
3590 NW 49th St., Miami, FL 33142
(305) 635-7850 FAX: (305) 633-2877
Are black powder pellets pure black powder?
ummm just wondering are black powder pellets for muzzleloading guns pure black powderAre black powder pellets pure black powder?
No, the pellets are actually a smokeless powder having very similar burning rate characteristics to black powder. These are such brands as Pyrodex, Triple 7, Shockey's Gold, etc. These substitutes have a higher ignition point than black powder and are harder to ignite. To make them easier to ignite, some manufacturers place a small amount of black powder on the base of the pellet.
Because these pellets are more difficult to ignite, they are best in the new in-line muzzleloaders. They perform very poorly in a traditional caplock and not at all in a flintlock.
The advantages to the pellets are that they are easily and quickly loaded, require no measuring of powder and are easy to clean up afterward. They are also less corrosive than black powder. The down side is that they cost considerably more than black powder or even granular black powder substitutes and can be used reliably only in the new in-line rifles.Are black powder pellets pure black powder?
Not blackpowder at all. I believe Pyrodex is the only company that markets the pelletized form of their powder.
They are alright for those modern in-line abominations, and I suppose you can use them in side-lock percussion rifles, but their ignition temperature is too high to use in flintlock rifles or shotguns.
Doc
Second that!
Pyrodex or Triple 7, they are synthetic forms of Black powder, but they burn cleaner and often faster than traditional BP.
Black Powder is actually becoming hard to find鈥?br>
they are a black powder substitute plus a binding agent.
They are basically just modern smokeless powder that is a low pressure type you put in from the muzzle
No. Actually they are a form of black powder substitute. Usually Pyrodex.
No, the pellets are actually a smokeless powder having very similar burning rate characteristics to black powder. These are such brands as Pyrodex, Triple 7, Shockey's Gold, etc. These substitutes have a higher ignition point than black powder and are harder to ignite. To make them easier to ignite, some manufacturers place a small amount of black powder on the base of the pellet.
Because these pellets are more difficult to ignite, they are best in the new in-line muzzleloaders. They perform very poorly in a traditional caplock and not at all in a flintlock.
The advantages to the pellets are that they are easily and quickly loaded, require no measuring of powder and are easy to clean up afterward. They are also less corrosive than black powder. The down side is that they cost considerably more than black powder or even granular black powder substitutes and can be used reliably only in the new in-line rifles.Are black powder pellets pure black powder?
Not blackpowder at all. I believe Pyrodex is the only company that markets the pelletized form of their powder.
They are alright for those modern in-line abominations, and I suppose you can use them in side-lock percussion rifles, but their ignition temperature is too high to use in flintlock rifles or shotguns.
Doc
Second that!
Pyrodex or Triple 7, they are synthetic forms of Black powder, but they burn cleaner and often faster than traditional BP.
Black Powder is actually becoming hard to find鈥?br>
they are a black powder substitute plus a binding agent.
They are basically just modern smokeless powder that is a low pressure type you put in from the muzzle
No. Actually they are a form of black powder substitute. Usually Pyrodex.
Value of a armsport Miami Florida made in Italy 50 cal black powder rifle #12056?
GOOD CONDITIONValue of a armsport Miami Florida made in Italy 50 cal black powder rifle #12056?
Problem is, some black powder reproductions can be in immaculate condition, and they won't go over $50 as far as used values go sometimes. Especially the Italian Reproductions. I don't know about how much yours may be worth, but it won't be worth too much. $100 tops. Not to say it isn't a good rifle, but black powder reproductions don't go for much.
Problem is, some black powder reproductions can be in immaculate condition, and they won't go over $50 as far as used values go sometimes. Especially the Italian Reproductions. I don't know about how much yours may be worth, but it won't be worth too much. $100 tops. Not to say it isn't a good rifle, but black powder reproductions don't go for much.
MRI black powder stacked with MRI war?
Has anyone used this combo or hav heard anything about itMRI black powder stacked with MRI war?
My friend has and it really did nothing at all, but make him sickblushed
My friend has and it really did nothing at all, but make him sick
Where can i buy black powder?
Check this
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i used charcoal pencils from art class for black make up in drama class
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i used charcoal pencils from art class for black make up in drama class
Where can I get black powder?
Nice. You're cracking me up for sure.Where can I get black powder?
your white, theres no way to change thatWhere can I get black powder?
any sporting goods store like ***** or gander mountain. or private owned gun stores.
ummm. try ebay
gun shop
your white, theres no way to change thatWhere can I get black powder?
any sporting goods store like ***** or gander mountain. or private owned gun stores.
ummm. try ebay
gun shop
What is a black powder gun?
Black powder is a mixture of saltpeter (potassium nitrate or, less frequently, sodium nitrate), charcoal and sulphur with a ratio (by weight) of approximately 15:3:2 respectively. The ratio has altered over the centuries of its use, and can be altered somewhat depending on the purpose of the powder. Unlike smokeless propellants, it acts more like an explosive since its burn rate is not affected by pressure, but it is a very poor explosive because it has a very slow decomposition rate and therefore a very low brisance. This same property that makes it a poor explosive makes it useful as a propellant — the lack of brisance keeps the black powder from shattering the barrel, and directs the energy to propelling the bullet. Historically, potassium nitrate was extracted from manure by a process superficially similar to composting. ';Nitre beds'; took about a year to produce crystallized potassium nitrate.What is a black powder gun?
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Black powder is a type of gunpowder invented in the 9th century and was practically the only known propellant and explosive until the middle of the 19th century. It has been superseded by more efficient explosives such as smokeless powders and TNT. It is still manufactured today but primarily for use in fireworks, model rocket engines, and reproductions of muzzleloading weapons.
Description
Black powder consists of the granular ingredients sulphur (S), charcoal (provides carbon to the reaction) and saltpetre (saltpetre, potassium nitrate, KNO3; provides oxygen to the reaction).
A simple, commonly cited, chemical equation for the combustion of black powder is:
2 KNO3 + S + 3C → K2S + N2 + 3CO2
A more accurate, but still simplified[1], equation is
10 KNO3 + 3S + 8C → 2K2CO3 + 3K2SO4 + 6 CO2 + 5N2
The products of burning do not follow any simple equation. One study's results showed it produced (in order of descending quantities): 55.91% solid products: Potassium carbonate, Potassium sulfate, Potassium sulfide, Sulfur, Potassium nitrate, Potassium thiocyanate, Carbon, Ammonium carbonate. 42.98% gaseous products: Carbon dioxide, Nitrogen, Carbon monoxide, Hydrogen sulfide, Hydrogen, Methane. 1.11% water
The optimum proportions for gunpowder are: 74.64% saltpetre, 13.51% charcoal, and 11.85% sulfur (by mass). The current standard for black powder manufactured by pyrotechnicians today is 75% potassium nitrate, 15% softwood charcoal and 10% sulfur.
For the most powerful black powder ';meal'; a wood charcoal is used. The best wood for the purpose is buckthorn, but others such as balsa or willow can be used. The ingredients are mixed as thoroughly as possible. This is achieved using a ball mill with non-sparking grinding apparatus (lead), or similar device.
Black powder is also corned to change its burn rate. Corning is a process which first compresses the fine black powder ';meal'; into blocks with a fixed density (1.7 g/cm³). The blocks are then broken up into granules. These granules are then sorted by size to give the various grades of black powder. Standard grades of black powder run from the coarse Fg grade used in large bore rifles and small cannon though FFg (medium and smallbore rifles), FFFg (pistols), and FFFFg (smallbore, short pistols and priming flintlocks). Very coarse black powder was used in mining before the development of nitroglycerine and dynamite.
Black powder is classified as a low explosive, that is, it deflagrates (burns) rapidly. High explosives detonate at a rate approximately 10 times faster than the burning of black powder.
Although black powder is not a high explosive, the United States Department of Transportation classifies it as a ';Class A High Explosive'; for shipment because it is so easily ignited. Highly destructive explosions at fireworks manufacturing plants are rather common events, especially in Asia. Complete manufactured devices containing black powder are usually classified as ';Class C Firework';, ';Class C Model Rocket Engine';, etc. for shipment because they are harder to ignite than the loose powder.
History
Origins and Chinese uses
Many credible sources attribute the invention of black powder (火藥, huo3 yao4; lit. fire medicine) to ancient China in the 9th century during the late Tang dynasty (618 - 907 CE). The invention appears to have been made accidentally, by Taoist alchemists seeking the elixir of immortality, or possibly as a fire starter for the easy ignition of tinder by sparks. The first references to gunpowder appear as warnings in alchemy texts not to mix certain materials together. However these early mixtures contain large amounts of incombustible material and are pyrotechnic in nature rather than truly explosive. By the 11th century, gunpowder began to be used for military purposes in China in the form of rockets and explosive bombs fired from catapults. The first reference to missile throwing weapons appears in 1259 when bamboo or copper tubes were used to launch baked clay bullets or shrapnel consisting of pebbles and small stones at the enemy. This type of weapon was primarily a nuisance, rather than a danger on the battlefield. Many early mixtures of Chinese gunpowder contained toxic substances such as mercury and arsenic compounds, and could be considered an early form of chemical warfare. On archeology, the oldest cannon in China dates from 1298, as discovered recently with Chinese date inscribed 元大德二年 (1298) on the cannon. This is, however, similar to the bronze cannon of 1332, which also had its date inscription. The first authenticated Chinese reference to cannon is a record from the military classic Wujing Zongyao in 1044.
From China, the military use of gunpowder appears to have spread to the rest of the world. It was used by the Mongols (1279 - 1368) against the Russians and was mentioned in a European manuscript by Roger Bacon in 1248. Bacon had many contacts with Arab-ruled Al-Andalus and it is likely his formulas originated there. There are Spanish references to the use of ';Truenos'; (';Thunderers';) in Al-Andalus as early as 1248, but it is more likely these were bombs hurled by catapult, or rockets rather than cannon. The first authenticated European reference to cannon is a record of them being exported from Ghent in 1313. By the mid 14th century, early cannon are mentioned extensively both in Europe and in China. It was the Europeans (or possibly the Arabs) who realized that only three ingredients were necessary for effective gunpowder, and who realized the importance of potassium nitrate in increasing the power of the mixture enough to make cannon effective and reliable.
The origins of gunpowder and cannon remains controversial as most of the Chinese written sources are 17th century revisions of earlier texts. Chinese firearms failed to develop beyond the most primitive stage until after contact with European traders. Japanese sources state that hand held firearms were completely unknown (or forgotten) before the Portuguese landed (or rather were shipwrecked) at Tanegashima in 1543. The military adventurism of the Mongols (1279 - 1368) seems to have been the impetus for the development of gunpowder weapons in China, but at the time older forms of siege equipment such as the trebuchet still dominated. Cannon and rockets were extensively used in the Mongol conquests of the 13th and 14th centuries and were a feature of East Asian warfare afterwards. The low, thick city walls of Beijing (started in 1406) for example, were specifically designed to withstand a gunpowder artillery attack, and the Ming dynasty(1368-1644) moved the capital from Nanjing to Beijing in 1421 specifically because the hills around Nanjing were good locations for invaders to place artillery.
Westward spread of gunpowder
The early use of gunpowder in the Arab world is complex and sometimes confusing in nature, mainly because of changes in the meaning of words. The Arab alchemists were well acquainted with saltpetre (which they called ';Chinese Snow';), and as previously noted Roger Bacon may have learned about gunpowder through his Arabic speaking colleagues in Al-Andalus. Certainly by 1453, the Ottoman Turks were masters of gunpowder manufacture and the use of heavy gunpowder artilliery. The Turks were able to construct enormous cannon with a bore of 90cm firing a 320kg projectile a distance of over 1.6 kilometres.
The 15th through 17th century saw widespread development in gunpowder technology mainly in Europe. Advances in metallurgy led to portable weapons and the development of hand-held firearms such as muskets. Cannon technology in Europe gradually outpaced that of China and these technological improvements transferred back to China through Jesuit missionaries who were put in charge of cannon manufacture by the late Ming and early Qing emperors.
One of the overlooked areas in the history of black powder is its use in civil engineering and mining. Until the invention of explosives, large rocks could only be broken up by hard labour, or heating with large fires followed by rapid quenching. The earliest surviving record for the use of gunpowder in mines comes from Hungary in 1627. It was introduced to Britain in 1638 by German miners, after which records are numerous. Until the invention of safety fuse by William Bickford in 1831, the practice was extremely dangerous. Another reason for danger was the dense fumes given off and the risk of igniting flammable gas when used in coal mines.
Western use
The first time gunpowder was used on a large scale in civil engineering was in the construction of the Languedoc canal in Southern France. It was completed in 1681 and linked the Mediterranean sea with the Bay of Biscay with 240km of canal and 100 locks. Another noteworthy consumer of blackpowder was the Erie canal in New York. It was 585km long and took 8 years to complete starting in 1817. Canal construction lead to a frenzy of activity among American gunpowder manufacturers.
Black powder was also extensively used in railway construction. At first tracks ran on level ground, but later railways made extensive use of cuttings and tunnels. One 800 metre stretch of the notorious Box Tunnel on the Great Western Railway line between London and Bristol consumed a tonne of gunpowder a week for over two years. Over 100 lives were lost during construction of the 3.3km tunnel. The 12.9km long Mont Cenis tunnel was completed in 13 years starting in 1857, but even with black powder progress was only 25cm a day until the invention of pneumatic drills sped up the work.
The latter half of the 19th Century saw the invention of nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose and smokeless powders which rapidly led to the replacement of gunpowder in many applications.What is a black powder gun?
Black powder is the classic explosive that existed for over a thousand years. A black powder gun's metal is only strong enough to contain the power created when that powder burns. Around the beginning of the 20th century, smokeless powder was invented and was much more powerful than the black powder. Gun metal had to be made correspondingly stronger, else the weapon would come apart when fired.
Also known as a Muzzle loader or single load.this is a firearem in which a cartridge is not used and must loaded from the end of the barrell.and the priming mechanism is usually on the exterior of the gun.which must be loaded after each shot(single barrell)a multy loading stage loading from the end of the barrell.flint lock rifles of the 1800's and prior is a good example.alamo.civil war,eras good example.
Black powder gun is big gun that uses gunpowder to shoot big (for a gun) heavy metal balls out of it.
A musket or muzzle loading gun/pistol. The black powder or gunpowder, was poured in measured amounts down the barrel, then a wad was tapped into place to compact the powder then a ball of lead was dropped into the barrel, another wad was rammed in to prevent the ball from rolling out. Finally the firing pan near the trigger was ****** and primed with powder, the flint was checked. Now it was ready for firing.
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Black powder is a type of gunpowder invented in the 9th century and was practically the only known propellant and explosive until the middle of the 19th century. It has been superseded by more efficient explosives such as smokeless powders and TNT. It is still manufactured today but primarily for use in fireworks, model rocket engines, and reproductions of muzzleloading weapons.
Description
Black powder consists of the granular ingredients sulphur (S), charcoal (provides carbon to the reaction) and saltpetre (saltpetre, potassium nitrate, KNO3; provides oxygen to the reaction).
A simple, commonly cited, chemical equation for the combustion of black powder is:
2 KNO3 + S + 3C → K2S + N2 + 3CO2
A more accurate, but still simplified[1], equation is
10 KNO3 + 3S + 8C → 2K2CO3 + 3K2SO4 + 6 CO2 + 5N2
The products of burning do not follow any simple equation. One study's results showed it produced (in order of descending quantities): 55.91% solid products: Potassium carbonate, Potassium sulfate, Potassium sulfide, Sulfur, Potassium nitrate, Potassium thiocyanate, Carbon, Ammonium carbonate. 42.98% gaseous products: Carbon dioxide, Nitrogen, Carbon monoxide, Hydrogen sulfide, Hydrogen, Methane. 1.11% water
The optimum proportions for gunpowder are: 74.64% saltpetre, 13.51% charcoal, and 11.85% sulfur (by mass). The current standard for black powder manufactured by pyrotechnicians today is 75% potassium nitrate, 15% softwood charcoal and 10% sulfur.
For the most powerful black powder ';meal'; a wood charcoal is used. The best wood for the purpose is buckthorn, but others such as balsa or willow can be used. The ingredients are mixed as thoroughly as possible. This is achieved using a ball mill with non-sparking grinding apparatus (lead), or similar device.
Black powder is also corned to change its burn rate. Corning is a process which first compresses the fine black powder ';meal'; into blocks with a fixed density (1.7 g/cm³). The blocks are then broken up into granules. These granules are then sorted by size to give the various grades of black powder. Standard grades of black powder run from the coarse Fg grade used in large bore rifles and small cannon though FFg (medium and smallbore rifles), FFFg (pistols), and FFFFg (smallbore, short pistols and priming flintlocks). Very coarse black powder was used in mining before the development of nitroglycerine and dynamite.
Black powder is classified as a low explosive, that is, it deflagrates (burns) rapidly. High explosives detonate at a rate approximately 10 times faster than the burning of black powder.
Although black powder is not a high explosive, the United States Department of Transportation classifies it as a ';Class A High Explosive'; for shipment because it is so easily ignited. Highly destructive explosions at fireworks manufacturing plants are rather common events, especially in Asia. Complete manufactured devices containing black powder are usually classified as ';Class C Firework';, ';Class C Model Rocket Engine';, etc. for shipment because they are harder to ignite than the loose powder.
History
Origins and Chinese uses
Many credible sources attribute the invention of black powder (火藥, huo3 yao4; lit. fire medicine) to ancient China in the 9th century during the late Tang dynasty (618 - 907 CE). The invention appears to have been made accidentally, by Taoist alchemists seeking the elixir of immortality, or possibly as a fire starter for the easy ignition of tinder by sparks. The first references to gunpowder appear as warnings in alchemy texts not to mix certain materials together. However these early mixtures contain large amounts of incombustible material and are pyrotechnic in nature rather than truly explosive. By the 11th century, gunpowder began to be used for military purposes in China in the form of rockets and explosive bombs fired from catapults. The first reference to missile throwing weapons appears in 1259 when bamboo or copper tubes were used to launch baked clay bullets or shrapnel consisting of pebbles and small stones at the enemy. This type of weapon was primarily a nuisance, rather than a danger on the battlefield. Many early mixtures of Chinese gunpowder contained toxic substances such as mercury and arsenic compounds, and could be considered an early form of chemical warfare. On archeology, the oldest cannon in China dates from 1298, as discovered recently with Chinese date inscribed 元大德二年 (1298) on the cannon. This is, however, similar to the bronze cannon of 1332, which also had its date inscription. The first authenticated Chinese reference to cannon is a record from the military classic Wujing Zongyao in 1044.
From China, the military use of gunpowder appears to have spread to the rest of the world. It was used by the Mongols (1279 - 1368) against the Russians and was mentioned in a European manuscript by Roger Bacon in 1248. Bacon had many contacts with Arab-ruled Al-Andalus and it is likely his formulas originated there. There are Spanish references to the use of ';Truenos'; (';Thunderers';) in Al-Andalus as early as 1248, but it is more likely these were bombs hurled by catapult, or rockets rather than cannon. The first authenticated European reference to cannon is a record of them being exported from Ghent in 1313. By the mid 14th century, early cannon are mentioned extensively both in Europe and in China. It was the Europeans (or possibly the Arabs) who realized that only three ingredients were necessary for effective gunpowder, and who realized the importance of potassium nitrate in increasing the power of the mixture enough to make cannon effective and reliable.
The origins of gunpowder and cannon remains controversial as most of the Chinese written sources are 17th century revisions of earlier texts. Chinese firearms failed to develop beyond the most primitive stage until after contact with European traders. Japanese sources state that hand held firearms were completely unknown (or forgotten) before the Portuguese landed (or rather were shipwrecked) at Tanegashima in 1543. The military adventurism of the Mongols (1279 - 1368) seems to have been the impetus for the development of gunpowder weapons in China, but at the time older forms of siege equipment such as the trebuchet still dominated. Cannon and rockets were extensively used in the Mongol conquests of the 13th and 14th centuries and were a feature of East Asian warfare afterwards. The low, thick city walls of Beijing (started in 1406) for example, were specifically designed to withstand a gunpowder artillery attack, and the Ming dynasty(1368-1644) moved the capital from Nanjing to Beijing in 1421 specifically because the hills around Nanjing were good locations for invaders to place artillery.
Westward spread of gunpowder
The early use of gunpowder in the Arab world is complex and sometimes confusing in nature, mainly because of changes in the meaning of words. The Arab alchemists were well acquainted with saltpetre (which they called ';Chinese Snow';), and as previously noted Roger Bacon may have learned about gunpowder through his Arabic speaking colleagues in Al-Andalus. Certainly by 1453, the Ottoman Turks were masters of gunpowder manufacture and the use of heavy gunpowder artilliery. The Turks were able to construct enormous cannon with a bore of 90cm firing a 320kg projectile a distance of over 1.6 kilometres.
The 15th through 17th century saw widespread development in gunpowder technology mainly in Europe. Advances in metallurgy led to portable weapons and the development of hand-held firearms such as muskets. Cannon technology in Europe gradually outpaced that of China and these technological improvements transferred back to China through Jesuit missionaries who were put in charge of cannon manufacture by the late Ming and early Qing emperors.
One of the overlooked areas in the history of black powder is its use in civil engineering and mining. Until the invention of explosives, large rocks could only be broken up by hard labour, or heating with large fires followed by rapid quenching. The earliest surviving record for the use of gunpowder in mines comes from Hungary in 1627. It was introduced to Britain in 1638 by German miners, after which records are numerous. Until the invention of safety fuse by William Bickford in 1831, the practice was extremely dangerous. Another reason for danger was the dense fumes given off and the risk of igniting flammable gas when used in coal mines.
Western use
The first time gunpowder was used on a large scale in civil engineering was in the construction of the Languedoc canal in Southern France. It was completed in 1681 and linked the Mediterranean sea with the Bay of Biscay with 240km of canal and 100 locks. Another noteworthy consumer of blackpowder was the Erie canal in New York. It was 585km long and took 8 years to complete starting in 1817. Canal construction lead to a frenzy of activity among American gunpowder manufacturers.
Black powder was also extensively used in railway construction. At first tracks ran on level ground, but later railways made extensive use of cuttings and tunnels. One 800 metre stretch of the notorious Box Tunnel on the Great Western Railway line between London and Bristol consumed a tonne of gunpowder a week for over two years. Over 100 lives were lost during construction of the 3.3km tunnel. The 12.9km long Mont Cenis tunnel was completed in 13 years starting in 1857, but even with black powder progress was only 25cm a day until the invention of pneumatic drills sped up the work.
The latter half of the 19th Century saw the invention of nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose and smokeless powders which rapidly led to the replacement of gunpowder in many applications.What is a black powder gun?
Black powder is the classic explosive that existed for over a thousand years. A black powder gun's metal is only strong enough to contain the power created when that powder burns. Around the beginning of the 20th century, smokeless powder was invented and was much more powerful than the black powder. Gun metal had to be made correspondingly stronger, else the weapon would come apart when fired.
Also known as a Muzzle loader or single load.this is a firearem in which a cartridge is not used and must loaded from the end of the barrell.and the priming mechanism is usually on the exterior of the gun.which must be loaded after each shot(single barrell)a multy loading stage loading from the end of the barrell.flint lock rifles of the 1800's and prior is a good example.alamo.civil war,eras good example.
Black powder gun is big gun that uses gunpowder to shoot big (for a gun) heavy metal balls out of it.
A musket or muzzle loading gun/pistol. The black powder or gunpowder, was poured in measured amounts down the barrel, then a wad was tapped into place to compact the powder then a ball of lead was dropped into the barrel, another wad was rammed in to prevent the ball from rolling out. Finally the firing pan near the trigger was ****** and primed with powder, the flint was checked. Now it was ready for firing.
MRI NO black powder supplement plan?
Im taking black powder pre workout and protein after but I wanna add creatine witht his I dont know if that works though or if it would be too much creatine anyone know?MRI NO black powder supplement plan?
creatine is a good addition to what you have it will get you gains faster
get bsn cellmass its the best i have it /really good
how is the black powder ?
i use no-xplode and was thinking of trying the black powder or the no-shotgun
creatine is a good addition to what you have it will get you gains faster
get bsn cellmass its the best i have it /really good
how is the black powder ?
i use no-xplode and was thinking of trying the black powder or the no-shotgun
I have a qestion about the workout supplement black powder. details inside.?
it says do not take under the age of 18 i jus turned 17 what can the side effects be an why do they say 18I have a qestion about the workout supplement black powder. details inside.?
ahh don't worry im not 18 either and take stuff it says not too. you should be just fine
ahh don't worry im not 18 either and take stuff it says not too. you should be just fine
Are black powder guns consitered real ?
do u need a permit to buy black powder gunsAre black powder guns consitered real ?
Yes, definitely real. Permit:it depends entirely on what state or city you live inAre black powder guns consitered real ?
Up until the Civil War, they were real enough. Cap and ball or muzzle loaders have killed many people and game so real they are.
They don't fall under all the regulations of modern guns and generally you can walk in a store and buy one and take it home. Black powder arms can run the gamut from cheap pieces of junk to high quality Colts ( they started remaking their old guns and started at the old serial numbers and they truly are real brand new Colt pistols)
As far as a permit for black powder, you generally don't need one but finding a place that sells it is getting tough. I buy mine from( powderinc.com). You have to buy 5 pounds at a time and it will cost you around a hundred dollars but you can mix and match grain sizes. They require a copy of your drivers license and they may have an age restriction, say 18 and over but I cant recall. They require someone to be at the shipping address to receive it and that person has to be of age.
Learn all you can about black powder arms if you don't already have some experience with it. It can be very dangerous and you have to clean the gun very well to keep it from rusting.
Good luck.
in most states a flint lock black powder gun is considered an antique even if brand new, most of these guns don't pose a serious threat, so they don't need to be regulated like other guns. the reason is that they are so clumsy and time consuming to load that the authorities don't need to worry for someone to rush out and shoot at them with a black powder flint lock, because the person could never reload the weapon fast enough to take a second shot without being shot and nobody in north america to my knowledge has been purposely killed with these weapons since the late 1800's
They are firearms but if manufactured prior to 1910 (if memory serves me) are considered antique and not regulated as firearms.
As far as a permit is concerned THAT depends on what State of the Union you live in. In Texas no special permit is required. After the new administration takes office... Who knows...
H
Under federal law and most state laws black powder muzzle loaders and cap and ball pistols and revolvers along with guns made before 1898 are not considered firearms under the gun laws
They are still considered deadly weapons if misused
No permit is necessary and they can be shipped USPS
Yes, Patrick, blackpowder guns are real. I have no idea of whether or not you need a permit to buy one because I have no idea where you live. Go to your local sporting goods store and ask them if you need a permit. They will be able to tell you.
Of course they are real guns.
As to a permit, I don't know. It might depend on where you are, but I never had any trouble buying them wherever lived.
They fall under a different category than ';modern'; firearms.
To my knowledge anyone can buy a black powder rifle or pistol. You could order one tonight from Cabella's and have it delivered by Tuesday if you wanted.
Not in NC. That includes cap and ball revolvers. But you may need to be 21 to buy the revolvers.
Blackpowder handguns are regulated in a few places in the states.
black powder is a non-primative weapon so you do not need a permit to buy 1
* Yes *
Not in Delaware.
It depends on your local laws.blushed
Yes, definitely real. Permit:it depends entirely on what state or city you live inAre black powder guns consitered real ?
Up until the Civil War, they were real enough. Cap and ball or muzzle loaders have killed many people and game so real they are.
They don't fall under all the regulations of modern guns and generally you can walk in a store and buy one and take it home. Black powder arms can run the gamut from cheap pieces of junk to high quality Colts ( they started remaking their old guns and started at the old serial numbers and they truly are real brand new Colt pistols)
As far as a permit for black powder, you generally don't need one but finding a place that sells it is getting tough. I buy mine from( powderinc.com). You have to buy 5 pounds at a time and it will cost you around a hundred dollars but you can mix and match grain sizes. They require a copy of your drivers license and they may have an age restriction, say 18 and over but I cant recall. They require someone to be at the shipping address to receive it and that person has to be of age.
Learn all you can about black powder arms if you don't already have some experience with it. It can be very dangerous and you have to clean the gun very well to keep it from rusting.
Good luck.
in most states a flint lock black powder gun is considered an antique even if brand new, most of these guns don't pose a serious threat, so they don't need to be regulated like other guns. the reason is that they are so clumsy and time consuming to load that the authorities don't need to worry for someone to rush out and shoot at them with a black powder flint lock, because the person could never reload the weapon fast enough to take a second shot without being shot and nobody in north america to my knowledge has been purposely killed with these weapons since the late 1800's
They are firearms but if manufactured prior to 1910 (if memory serves me) are considered antique and not regulated as firearms.
As far as a permit is concerned THAT depends on what State of the Union you live in. In Texas no special permit is required. After the new administration takes office... Who knows...
H
Under federal law and most state laws black powder muzzle loaders and cap and ball pistols and revolvers along with guns made before 1898 are not considered firearms under the gun laws
They are still considered deadly weapons if misused
No permit is necessary and they can be shipped USPS
Yes, Patrick, blackpowder guns are real. I have no idea of whether or not you need a permit to buy one because I have no idea where you live. Go to your local sporting goods store and ask them if you need a permit. They will be able to tell you.
Of course they are real guns.
As to a permit, I don't know. It might depend on where you are, but I never had any trouble buying them wherever lived.
They fall under a different category than ';modern'; firearms.
To my knowledge anyone can buy a black powder rifle or pistol. You could order one tonight from Cabella's and have it delivered by Tuesday if you wanted.
Not in NC. That includes cap and ball revolvers. But you may need to be 21 to buy the revolvers.
Blackpowder handguns are regulated in a few places in the states.
black powder is a non-primative weapon so you do not need a permit to buy 1
* Yes *
Not in Delaware.
It depends on your local laws.
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